Redundancy consulataion

pinkshoes

Could you ask for an evening consultation once your son is in bed and asleep?

Could you take your son with you and make it into part of the day out? Would he sit in the corner with headphones and a video?

Given they knew you had holiday, it seems frustrating that they didn't make the appointment when you were at work, given you requested this many times. Almost sounds deliberate...

Edit: having thought about this, I am quite sure they are NOT permitted to do that, and it would fall foul of the fair consultation rules. They approved your holiday so knew you were not there, so cannot just put your consultation appointment when you are not in work.

You will need to take advice/action quickly.

iammumtoone

pinkshoes wrote: »

Could you ask for an evening consultation once your son is in bed and asleep? that would mean the consultation would be gone 1am in the morning lol he doesn't sleep due to his ADHD. I dont think they would do it anyway and it wouldn't be fair to ask.

Could you take your son with you and make it into part of the day out? Would he sit in the corner with headphones and a video? Children are not allowed on site or even in the car park at work meaning he would have to be left in my car on the road away from the workplace so not an option unfortunately.

Given they knew you had holiday, it seems frustrating that they didn't make the appointment when you were at work, given you requested this many times. Almost sounds deliberate... I did wonder they have been so unorganised and issued the 45 day notice before anyone knew for definite how the re-structure was going to work, meaning they can lay people off quicker. If they waited for confirmation on the new structure, they would only be issuing the 45 day notice now.

I am disappointed I am in this situation and frustrated as I am not going away for my holiday I seem to be expected to go in. I am sure if I had gone abroad/away I would have more rights as I would not be able to go in.

It is possible if I left early this morning/late last night for a holiday before todays post arrived (when I got the letter) and did not return until after the 45 day deadline, I would have totally missed my opportunity to have my consultation through no fault of my own, which I am sure is not allowed so they would have to wait then?

pinkshoes

iammumtoone wrote: »

I am disappointed I am in this situation and frustrated as I am not going away for my holiday I seem to be expected to go in. I am sure if I had gone abroad/away I would have more rights as I would not be able to go in.

It is possible if I left early this morning/late last night for a holiday before todays post arrived (when I got the letter) and did not return until after the 45 day deadline, I would have totally missed my opportunity to have my consultation through no fault of my own, which I am sure is not allowed so they would have to wait then?

Not sure if you saw my edited bit, but I don't think they can do this... I *think* it would breach the rules of the consultation period.

iammumtoone

pinkshoes wrote: »

Edit: having thought about this, I am quite sure they are NOT permitted to do that, and it would fall foul of the fair consultation rules. They approved your holiday so knew you were not there, so cannot just put your consultation appointment when you are not in work.

You will need to take advice/action quickly.

Be be honest that was the kind of response I was expecting when I started this thread but you are the first to say this after several other knowable posters have already commented this is not the case (not saying you aren't knowledgeable just you are in the minority).

I am not sure where to get free advise quickly? I will ring acas on Monday but I have read on here they often don't know the rules and get things wrong.

iammumtoone

anamenottaken wrote: »

They are not asking you to cancel a week's holiday. At most they would ask you to work a day (but they aren't asking you to work, only to attend a meeting which is likely to be quite short) and for that they need to give you 2 days' notice not 2 weeks.

Thinking about this surely they have to give the notice BEFORE the holiday starts so if they told me last Wednesday that I could not have Monday off that would be acceptable? They can't just tell me after my holiday has started they have cancelled a day?

I appreciate they aren't asking me to 'work/attend a meeting" all day but I am planning on going out for days meaning setting off early morning returning in the evening. I can't do this if I have to be somewhere in the middle of the day!

IAmWales

Why are you making this so difficult? You're not away from home, you have received the letter, and you can request the meeting/ call at the beginning or end of the day.

I understand you have childcare difficulties but you're not helping anyone by delaying the inevitable. Call your employer on Monday and try to find an arrangement that works for both of you. Perhaps they could visit you at home?

iammumtoone

IAmWales wrote: »

Why are you making this so difficult? You're not away from home, you have received the letter, and you can request the meeting/ call at the beginning or end of the day.

I understand you have childcare difficulties but you're not helping anyone by delaying the inevitable. Call your employer on Monday and try to find an arrangement that works for both of you. Perhaps they could visit you at home?

Why should I be penalised as I have chosen not to go away for my holiday. I have still booked and been granted holiday, what I do on that is my business.

Your are right, what is going to happen is inevitable, my consultation (either by phone or in person) and putting my son through stress is very unlikely to change that so why should I jump through hoops/ re-arrange my holiday plans to meet their demands if legally I don't have to?

pinkshoes

IAmWales wrote: »

Why are you making this so difficult? You're not away from home, you have received the letter, and you can request the meeting/ call at the beginning or end of the day.

I understand you have childcare difficulties but you're not helping anyone by delaying the inevitable. Call your employer on Monday and try to find an arrangement that works for both of you. Perhaps they could visit you at home?

The OP is not being difficult.

This company have had 45 days to do this, they KNEW the OP was on holiday, and they then deliberately chose a meeting knowing the OP was know holiday. THEY are being difficult, not the OP.

The consultation period has to be carried out FAIRLY.

Unless EVERYONE was ONLY offered their consultation in the next two weeks (when the OP is on holiday), and therefore no consultations have taken place yet, then this would be deemed as unfair, and should the OP be chosen as one of the people to be made redundant, then the company would be skating on very thin ice.

Iammumtoone - check your house insurance to see if you have free legal cover.

NeilCr

So how many staff are being made redundant?

And how long have you worked there?

iammumtoone

NeilCr wrote: »

So how many staff are being made redundant?

And how long have you worked there?

Over 100 mix of office and factory. I have been there more than 2 years.