Two lanes merging to one after roundabout

d123

Strider590 wrote: »

At what point in my explanation does it state that i'm creating more danger?

I'm blocking the blocker before they can block, sure it usually p1sses them right off, but dillygaf.

The reason I take a hardline approach now is because I once had an articulated lorry accelerate up and block me, causing me to have to stop completely at the end of the merge, annoyingly the road opens back out into 2 lanes less than 100 yrds later and I simply overtook the truck. I don't know what these people think they're achieving by being such morons.

You keep saying "merge", those single arrow lane reductions are not merging, the right lane is ending and if you're in the right lane you are required to change to the left lane.

The same rules apply as if you were changing lanes on a multi-lane road, you don't have the right to cut the user already in the left lane off, nor do you have the right to attempt to block them by cutting over into their lane.

If you cut in front of the left lane user because you've left your lane change too late you could open yourself up to prosecution.

HC 133
If you need to change lane, first use your mirrors and if necessary take a quick sideways glance to make sure you will not force another road user to change course or speed. When it is safe to do so, signal to indicate your intentions to other road users and when clear, move over.

Strider590

d123 wrote: »

You keep saying "merge", those single arrow lane reductions are not merging, the right lane is ending and if you're in the right lane you are required to change to the left lane.

The same rules apply as if you were changing lanes on a multi-lane road, you don't have the right to cut the user already in the left lane off, nor do you have the right to attempt to block them by cutting over into their lane.

If you cut in front of the left lane user because you've left your lane change too late you could open yourself up to prosecution.

I don't know what planet you live on, you've obviously never seen the signs telling drivers to "Merge in turn".

I suspect your just one of those people who thinks it's a race and accelerates up to block people.

d123

Strider590 wrote: »

I don't know what planet you live on, you've obviously never seen the signs telling drivers to "Merge in turn".

I suspect your just one of those people who thinks it's a race and accelerates up to block people.

The signs in this thread aren't "merge in turn", the signs under discussion are shown further up in a screenshot, it's a left curved arrow with the road narrowing to the left lane only. That means lane ends, change lane.

tho_2

Strider590 wrote: »

At what point in my explanation does it state that i'm creating more danger?

I'm blocking the blocker before they can block, sure it usually p1sses them right off, but dillygaf.

The reason I take a hardline approach now is because I once had an articulated lorry accelerate up and block me, causing me to have to stop completely at the end of the merge, annoyingly the road opens back out into 2 lanes less than 100 yrds later and I simply overtook the truck. I don't know what these people think they're achieving by being such morons.

Your words were " but if that car suddenly tries to block me from merging by racing up the inside then I will very swiftly put my car into their lane with zero indication"

So you've seen a car accelerating to the point you feel in danger. You've then instantly stuck your car in front of that accelerating car with no signalling whatsoever. And you don't see the danger in that manoeuvre? Thats pretty worrying.

Car_54

matttye wrote: »

Really?

Is this really a situation where the Highway Code needs to be consulted? Volvo driver decided to be a jackass and block what would otherwise have been a safe merge.

Nobody has time to stop and consult the highway code on the road, you have to make judgment calls all the time. If there is a large gap to merge into and you can do so without causing people to change speed/direction, then you can do it even if the traffic is moving swiftly.

Yes, the Volvo driver was a jackass, but unfortunately he had priority.

And yes, if there is a large gap it is perfectly ok to change lanes. However, in the OP's case there was no gap at all - the cars were overlapping.

As I think I said in my first post, they were both guilty of a lack of anticipation and consideration.

Strider590

Unbeliveable, a driver not only disobeys the highway code regarding accelerating when being overtaken (verging on "racing", which carries a possible prison sentance), but also dangerously blocks a merging vehicle and half of you are defending that driver, even to the point of practically calling the OP a queue jumper, all because of this stupid British queuing mentality, which has NO place on the roads.
I would remind you that it's a road, not a post office and that your driving 2 tonne of metal, but then we don't try to kill people who use a different queue at the post office do we???

And yes, when someone does this across you, leaving you nowhere to go but the oncoming lane, then they are trying to kill you and it's not an accident, drivers have done this to motorcyclist and ended up spending time behind bars.

Utterly ridiculous...............

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/driving-advice/zip-merging/


I'm saying nothing more on this matter, i'm sure you'll now go down the route of personal attacks instead of facts (ad-hominen), but you can argue all you like, your still wrong in the eyes of the law.

tho_2

I never said I blame the OP, FWIW I actually think the OP was in the right. I don't consider this a lane end, I consider it a lane merge, and it should go in turn. My comments were because in the situation you described (swiftly move your car in front of them with no indication), you were putting yourself in more danger, and doing a pretty good job of trying to kill the guy driving like a moron on the inside.

There's blocking to stop queue jumpers (although if you think the queueing mentality has NO place on the roads, why do you care about someone jumping you? that also makes no sense?), and there's actively putting yourself in a dangerous position. In some situations its not worth it. Get a dash cam and do what you like with the footage of the moron, alternatively stay out the way and give them a hand gesture.

facade

Strider590 wrote: »

And yes, when someone does this across you, leaving you nowhere to go but the oncoming lane, then they are trying to kill you

I think you are being over dramatic.

Yes the volvo driver was wrong, disobeying the Highway Code, but the point is this happens thousands of times a day across the country. If it is genuinely the first time the OP has experienced it, then he is indeed fortunate, as I experience it, or witness it several times a day.

When it happens to me I do wish that I could call up an airstrike to take out the offenders car, house, entire family and anyone who has ever spoken to him, but the reality is I can either forget about it, or try to snitch him up, but my dashcam faces forwards, so it won't show any of this, and I would be wasting my time.

What I actually do is if the car has been racing me, simply dab the brakes and pull in behind him, as it is very unusual indeed that the car behind him will have accelerated too, and if they have, then I would slow more or even stop. There is no need to literally stare death in the face at every manoeuvre, or there is something wrong with your driving as well.

Laz123

You have to question the level of competence of the Volvo driver. Why accelerate on an undertaking manoeuvre when undertaking is illegal? Added to which it is blatantly obvious you are going to be forced into their lane ahead of them by the arrows. I would say it is a case of careless driving on their part because instead of accelerating they should have reduced speed to accommodate your manoeuvre thus showing they failed to anticipate and look ahead at the problem.

robinwales

facade wrote: »

I think you are being over dramatic.

facade wrote: »

When it happens to me I do wish that I could call up an airstrike to take out the offenders car, house, entire family and anyone who has ever spoken to him.

I prefer the more subtle approach. I put up the bullet-proof rear screen on the Aston Martin and use the smoke screen. Don't laugh, my wife got stuck up a tree last week when I accidentally pressed the ejector seat switch when changing gear.