Make a recording from BBC iPlayer?

debitcardmayhem

Cornucopia wrote: »

Is there a definitive difference between keeping a recording, say, on a Freeview PVR and by downloading via get_iplayer?

How does that compare to ripping a DVD that you already own?

Yep, if you have it either way you can choose to watch it when you want, c.f. switch on the telly and guess what it is playing when you are looking to see what's on now

Oh of course when you look at the freeview guide to see what's on it doesn't say R in the info, at least in the dead tree press TV listing it says R for repeat

fenlander_uk

Cornucopia wrote: »

Is there a definitive difference between keeping a recording, say, on a Freeview PVR and by downloading via get_iplayer?

How does that compare to ripping a DVD that you already own?

Do you mean practical difference, as in file type, size, resolution etc or legal difference as in copyright /IP issues?

Cornucopia

fenlander_uk wrote: »

Do you mean practical difference, as in file type, size, resolution etc or legal difference as in copyright /IP issues?

Legal difference....

fenlander_uk

Cornucopia wrote: »

Legal difference....

Not my area of expertise. To me, as a layman, any differences between the 3 examples you mention are far from obvious.

One possibly significant factor is that most PVRs seem to be designed to discourage, or make impossible, the copying of files recorded on them to other media 'off the box'. Once you have a file downloaded from iPlayer (or elsewhere) or ripped from a DVD, it is available to be used or abused in any number of ways. However, if you do manage to move readable files off a PVR, they would then fall into the same category as any other download.

almillar

I was always told that, legally, if you record something off the TV (this goes back to VCR days) then you're only allowed to keep the recoding for 2 weeks. Not aware of any new laws coming along for PVRs, DVD recorders or saving streams. Making a backup of your own media should of course be legal, but you can see how leaving the system open could be abused.

esuhl

Cornucopia wrote: »

Is there a definitive difference between keeping a recording, say, on a Freeview PVR and by downloading via get_iplayer?

How does that compare to ripping a DVD that you already own?

It's unlawful to rip a CD you own so you can play it on, say, your mobile phone.

When Apple released the iPod, it was a tool intended to encourage criminal behaviour. There was no copyrighted music available for the iPod at that time -- the only way to listen to commercial music on an iPod was to break the law.

Another company who manufactured a hi-fi with a hard disk recorder (to copy your CD collection) had their adverts banned after they mentioned this illegal feature.

Similarly, I'm fairly sure that ripping DVDs you own is unlawful.

There's no difference between recording something on a Freeview PVR and downloading a programme with get_iplayer. Both are legal, as you are allowed to record streams/broadcasts for "personal use" for a limited time to allow you to watch/listen to the programme at a time other than when it was broadcast. I believe the law says that you can keep the recording for a "reasonable time". This is often interpreted as being 30 days, but I don't think it's been established by statute or precedent.

Neil_Jones

Technically the ripping of the CD (or DVD or any other medium for that matter) for your own personal use is illegal; there were plans to change this but the music companies lobbied to keep the status quo. On that basis what you're supposed to do if you have a CD in the house you want to listen to in the car, you're supposed to go out and buy another copy, not rip the one you've got onto a blank disk/MP3 Player.

Of course what happens in reality is an entirely different thing; it says on the back of every CD, DVD and video ever made, "do not copy, loan or distribute this without permission". Does anybody get permission before they stick it in the computer CD player and click Rip?

That being said, its one of those "everyday" crimes much like recording off the TV - technically illegal (may not be as such with modern day Sky+ and TIVO but was technically illegal in the VCR days) but PC Plod didn't come kick your door in for recording off the TV in the 1980s and I doubt he'll come now for that. Maybe other things if you're a bad enough boy but otherwise...

Robisere

So my 45+ Gb of music, copied and recorded from my own vinyl, CD and cassettes, stored and streamed from my NAS, is illegal? Where are the Black Helicopters?

It's for my own use. Screw the Media industry fatcats.

Heedtheadvice

OK point taken about fat cats.....
but what about the thin cats?

Everyone sees the very successful, powerful, rich cats at the top of industry, media, sports etc cetera and believes that excuses illegal activity.

Well yes you may be very unlucky to get caught and there are also many trying to make a living in media who are far from fat!

I do not know what you did for income Robisere, during you working life, but I expect you would be most miffed if people illegally bypassed the need for you or stole or copied your ideas?

I guess that some aspects that are illegal (such as making a backup -for no other purpose) might seem reasonable but contravening someone's rights.....or encouraging it should not really be condoned.

I'll not report but if someone did the forum would be quite correct to pull the whole thread!

Cornucopia

Heedtheadvice wrote: »

I'll not report but if someone did the forum would be quite correct to pull the whole thread!

I think you're somewhat over-reacting there.

There is nothing wrong with discussing from a dispassionate, hypothetical POV what is and is not legal.

I'd also point out that no one has definitively shown, so far, that the original question regarding downloaded materials from iPlayer relates to a breach of the criminal law. (I accept that it may be a breach of Ts & Cs, but that would be a civil matter).