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ohreally

Why is a hi -viz vest required to be worn in the cab on a delivery run?

anamenottaken

If you took an hour break, did you work the 10 hours? Do you submit timesheets?

anamenottaken

cjmillsnun wrote: »

How long have you been employed by the firm?

Do you have a copy of the disciplinary policy? You normally have to be given some notice of a hearing and a chance to put your side of the case across. You also normally have the right to be accompanied by either a union rep (if a union is recognised and you are a member) or a colleague.

Bear in mind you have made 2 mistakes on one day, one of which is not wearing PPE provided and one is taking an unauthorised break. Both could be viewed as serious misconduct.

You will have to keep your nose clean for a while.

I don't think it matters whether the organisation formally recognises a Union. If the meeting can lead to disciplinary action (eg issuing Warning) a Union official can accompany the employee and the employee does not have to be a member of that Union.

ohreally

cjmillsnun wrote: »

(if a union is recognised and you are a member)

No recognition required but credentials may need to be provided.

Undervalued

scd3scd4 wrote: »

At times like this you find reasonable, decent managers and jobs worth. I have worked for the same company for 20 years and considered myself very lucky to have met few jobs worth.


I am a Union rep and would have argued the above. Only if you were a constant PPE violator would it be an issue. I forgot my glasses a few weeks back. A middle manager spotted it and asked my supervisor if he could have a polite word! He did I apologised and that was that.


A verbal or 1st written would have been more than enough. I assume you can appeal.

Well you can argue what you like but I'm sure, as a union rep, you will be aware that you cannot challenge any sanction short of dismissal at a tribunal. OK, he could appeal internally but how many of those are upheld?

stuartJo1989

scd3scd4 wrote: »

At times like this you find reasonable, decent managers and jobs worth. I have worked for the same company for 20 years and considered myself very lucky to have met few jobs worth.

I used to think like that, until I was given a role which involved being a "jobsworth".

Truth be told, many employees made mistakes/took the biscuit and I used to let half of the stuff slide! But sometimes they just pushed a bit too far and warranted a heavy-handed approach. They were stupid in that they didn't realise that I could see EVERYTHING!

This is heavily context-dependent, but not wearing a high vis jacket could potentially be a big issue AND it would be unfair for one employee to take an extra 30 minutes on break when they weren't entitled to it (you, as an employee, would not be happy with a colleague who did this AND also a manager who didn't address this).

If this was a spot check then it is a tad unfair (but maybe they are making an example out of OP), but chances are that OP has been on their radar for quite some time now...

getmore4less

eleven3000 wrote: »

Been with the firm for 6 years. Its an extra job I do to guarantee bills are paid. I usually do a 10 hour shift on the day in question, were i'd be due a 1h break. For some reason was an 8 hour shift that week, when you are meant to have 30 mins.
Not stupid, just rushed off feet with a lot of work etc.
They found out by my line manager noticeing I had taken a longer break, then checking cctv.. I was then questioned about it a week later. I coudnt remember, but thought I'd done a 10h shift. They let me argue it and then at the end of hearing they said you were on an 8h shift and gave me the final written warning.
Surprised they view it serious enough for a final, even with the forgetting to put my high viz on.
Never done anything else wrong and 6 yrs of good work for them...feel like leaving but is a very convenient extra income for my current situation. However do not want to be fearful of now getting the sack unexpectidly for any petty mistakes I might make.
I called it an honest mistake meaning Ive done nothing malicious.

They don't believe you.

scd3scd4

stuartJo1989 wrote: »

I used to think like that, until I was given a role which involved being a "jobsworth".

Truth be told, many employees made mistakes/took the biscuit and I used to let half of the stuff slide! But sometimes they just pushed a bit too far and warranted a heavy-handed approach. They were stupid in that they didn't realise that I could see EVERYTHING!

This is heavily context-dependent, but not wearing a high vis jacket could potentially be a big issue AND it would be unfair for one employee to take an extra 30 minutes on break when they weren't entitled to it (you, as an employee, would not be happy with a colleague who did this AND also a manager who didn't address this).

If this was a spot check then it is a tad unfair (but maybe they are making an example out of OP), but chances are that OP has been on their radar for quite some time now...

I would have no problem with someone taking an extra 30 minutes if it was a mistake. Just like I don't feel all hard done by if a work mate has to go home early because he's pregnant wife is in labour, child is sick or he/she has a hospital appointment. Lad last week asked to come in 2 hours late so he could see he's girls end of year parents evening and show. I work for a decent company where we give and take on both sides. That's how adults behave. I in turn have changed my plans to help out or change shifts.


I never said anything about a person who is an habitual breaker. I made a distinction about mistakes. I work for a large company on the plant. I suspect I know a tad more about H&S than most. A good boss uses he's/her discretion and takes everything in context. They know their workers. Wherever possible my HR dept. or the local manger would give the worker the benefit of the doubt. They would have a polite word or warning. I have sat in on numerous disciplinarys and nearly always came out thinking we where treated fairly. This goes far in the mind of the rule breaker and other staff.



I have met a few jobs- worth over 20 years and they all don't last long.

Stylehutz

My guess is that you didnt get the problem solved. As with usual from Mse you got bombarded by the usual daily fail readers brigade on this thread who have no sympathy for any employees grievences whatever they may be.

Malthusian

I'll give even money that the problem was solved by the OP accepting the warning and getting on with his job, however much some might have preferred him to get sacked so they could have their prejudices against horrid employers confirmed.

Why is a hi -viz vest required to be worn in the cab on a delivery run?

I imagine for when he gets out of the cab to stroll around an area where other people are driving lorries. As well as lay bys and the like.

Sure, the rule could be "put your hi viz on before getting out of the cab" but putting clothes on in a vehicle is awkward and some people would forget or not bother.