What's wrong with the EU and how it effects House prices

gfplux

This is a new thread so the flaws of the EU can be discussed and the Brexit thread can just be about Brexit.

So
The EU has many flaws.
For example moving the EU Parliament between Brussels (Belgium) and Strasbourg (France) once a month is crazy and expensive.

The_Last_Username

Well there was this from a few weeks ago:

The EU plans to splash out €6 million a year in rent on a swanky “House of Europe” building in central Paris — and spend almost €12 million doing the place up.
The high cost is stirring criticism in the European Parliament at a time when the institution has made significant investments in real estate, partly to expand its facilities and make the EU more visible to citizens.

http://www.politico.eu/article/eu-plans-e6m-a-year-house-of-europe-on-paris-boulevard/

But will it force Parisian housing prices higher?

Sapphire

gfplux wrote: »

This is a new thread so the flaws of the EU can be discussed and the Brexit thread can just be about Brexit.

So
The EU has many flaws.
For example moving the EU Parliament between Brussels (Belgium) and Strasbourg (France) once a month is crazy and expensive.

1. Freedom of movement for all, no matter their backgrounds (including when they have criminal backgrounds that impact the countries they come to), and the enforcement of this directive.

2. Failure to solve the migrant crisis from the Middle East and Africa – and an apparent unwillingness to stop the illegal incursion of huge numbers of migrants from those areas.

3. Attempts to remove the sovereignty of countries that have long histories and cultures very different from each other (one size will not fit all).

4. Destroying the economies of economically weaker nations, and miring poorer nations into debt, thus giving them no choice but to remain as part of the attempted empire, dominated by one/two countries.

5. Lack of democracy. Failure to consult the citizens of all countries as to whether they wanted to be part of a political union created by a few individuals, rather than the economic organisation that citizens were given to believe it was supposed to be.

6. Profligate spending of taxpayers' money by unelected EU commissars and the entire EU bureaucracy.

7. Attempted removal of rights of nations to determine their own destinies.

:cool:

Thrugelmir

Endless posts from expats who complain about Brexit. Yet make no actual contribution to the UK economy.

Fella

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvYuoWyk8iU

Thrugelmir

ilovehouses wrote: »

The biggest problem with the EU is that their equivalent of the UK civil service is overtly political.

The head of the UK civil service is Jeremy Heywood. Heard of him?

His equivalent in the EU Commission is Jean-Claude Juncker. Heard of him?

IMO you don't get to the top of any civil service without being a politician but we've got enough of those on the payroll. Juncker should take some tips from Heywood - put a cake in it and play the games behind the scenes.

The EU is a political project. Hence the lack of separation.

chris_m

Whatever might be wrong with the EU, I bet it knows the difference between effects and affects

fatbeetle

European efforts to deal with the influx, hastily enacted two years ago at the height of Syria’s civil war, are faltering. A burden-sharing deal agreed by all 28 EU states in 2015, when Germany took nearly 1 million people, has arguably never worked. Of 160,000 refugees due to be accepted under the scheme, fewer than 21,000 have been relocated.

Europe is split down the middle. Poland and Hungary have refused to take anyone. The Czech Republic initially accepted 12 people but has since slammed the door. The European commission has begun legal action against all three. Italy and Greece, so-called “frontline states”, are at odds with their northern neighbours, notably France and Austria. Dashing hopes of a new approach, the new French president, Emmanuel Macron, is proving inflexible on the issue.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/22/divided-europe-refugee-crisis-italy-serbia-greece

This is what's wrong with creating a massive bureaucracy which cuts across national borders and cultures, it cannot react and function effectively.

cogito

fatbeetle wrote: »

This is what's wrong with creating a massive bureaucracy which cuts across national borders and cultures, it cannot react and function effectively.

Macron started out by saying that the Italians were in desperate need of help from the EU in dealing with the migrant crisis and the Italians believed that he would do something about it.

What he has done about it is to keep the border closed at Ventimiglia where hundreds of migrants have been trapped for months and refuse to allow French vessels carrying migrants to dock at French ports. If Le Pen had done this, can you imagine the outcry?

Needless to say, the Italans are extremely hacked off as they are having to bear the brunt (85000 this year so far) under the Dublin Agreement (forced through by Sarkozy). There is an election due in Italy no later than March and opinion polls have the two anti EU parties, Lega Nord and Five Star, on 43%.

The EU are playing with fire.

gfplux

cogito wrote: »

Macron started out by saying that the Italians were in desperate need of help from the EU in dealing with the migrant crisis and the Italians believed that he would do something about it.

What he has done about it is to keep the border closed at Ventimiglia where hundreds of migrants have been trapped for months and refuse to allow French vessels carrying migrants to dock at French ports. If Le Pen had done this, can you imagine the outcry?

Needless to say, the Italans are extremely hacked off as they are having to bear the brunt (85000 this year so far) under the Dublin Agreement (forced through by Sarkozy). There is an election due in Italy no later than March and opinion polls have the two anti EU parties, Lega Nord and Five Star, on 43%.

The EU are playing with fire.

How sure are you that the border is closed at Ventimiglia? That is a very important crossing point.

Up_For_Grabs

chris_m wrote: »

Whatever might be wrong with the EU, I bet it knows the difference between effects and affects

I wouldn't be sure of that