Fibre to premises? You're stuck with BT and no discounts

JJ_Egan

i wonder what they will call the new GFast service ??
Though my understanding is that you will need to be relatively near to the cabinet to get the 300 mph and though i can walk to my cabinet in 4 mins i don't qualify as to far away .

lee111s

I suspect G.fast will remain as Infinity 3 and 4 and be sold as up to services.

There will be two flavours. Up to 160mbps and up to 330mbps.

You need to be within about 500m (line length) to see a benefit of G.fast over VDSL.

almillar

Thanks for the corrections and further info.
So is it fair to say that Infinity 1 (up to 40mbps) and Infinity 2 (up to 80mbps) are FTTC,
and Infitity 3 (up to 160mbps) and Infinity 4 (up to 33mbps) are FTTP?

littleboo

No, because you can have Infinity 1 or 2 on FTTP

lee111s

You can have Infinity 1, 2, 3 or 4 with FTTP.

FTTC is limited to options 1 and 2 for now (although G.fast products shoudn't be long and they will offer 3 and 4 via FTTC.)

FYI, Infinity 1 is now up to 55meg.

Browntoa

G fast live trials at 1gb speeds apparently using copper drop wires

lee111s

Yeah totally different deployment to the G.Fast stuff being rolled at the moment.

The new stuff needs reverse power, only supports 4 connections and needs to be within about 40 meters of your home.

In which case you may as well just run FTTP.

bubieyehyeh

lee111s wrote: »

The new stuff needs reverse power, only supports 4 connections and needs to be within about 40 meters of your home.

In which case you may as well just run FTTP.

Can you explain what you mean by only supporting 4 connections? max 4 lines for each gfast dslam? Do all the lines need to be from houses on same mains phase?

As you say 40m, might as well use FTTP, but perhaps BT has patents on gfast they can get licence income from.

lee111s

bubieyehyeh wrote: »

Can you explain what you mean by only supporting 4 connections? max 4 lines for each gfast dslam? Do all the lines need to be from houses on same mains phase?

As you say 40m, might as well use FTTP, but perhaps BT has patents on gfast they can get licence income from.

Yes, at the moment, because G.Fast is so new it's all the pods can support right now with the power demans etc.

I'm not sure about being on the mains phase, I know squat about the national grid and how it works :rotfl: But I do know the power is shared between all those who have their router turned on. Have a look on youtube there's a few videos of how it works.

The reasom they'll go for G.Fast is because running that extra 10//20/40/100m from the DP to every customer and doing in home install is still time consuming and costly.


Here's an article showing the devices being tested http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2017/06/bt-openreach-test-new-1gbps-broadband-pole-mounted-fttdp-g-fast-kit.html

It's based on a device being used in Australia to roll out their VDSL network. They're doing fibre to the curb as opposed fibre to the cabinet.

macman

OP, what speed could you get on FTTC, and is the extra for FTTP really worth it? I get 38MBps on FTTC and can't imagine that I'd see much benefit from anything faster at present.