PCN envelope on car but no ticket inside!

Bexter8

Yes, I used the template but Coupon Mad recommended mentioning the banner as well. I've added it in and kept it so the driver isn't revealed, just wanted to check if it sounded ok before I send. (My draft reply is posted above.)

Umkomaas

Bexter8 wrote: »

Yes, I used the template but Coupon Mad recommended mentioning the banner as well. I've added it in and kept it so the driver isn't revealed, just wanted to check if it sounded ok before I send. (My draft reply is posted above.)

Just go with it then. I don't see any toes blown off.

Guys_Dad

I would ALWAYS advise using the actual facts when you are 100% sure you have a valid, non procedural point, such as you have. The standard appeal in the newbies thread is perfect when you are relying on process errors by the PPC but you have actually "transgressed".

Bexter8

I've got my POPLA code now. My draft is here, is it OK?: https://docs.google.com/document/d/10VG_3W9LLm4TTZL-45C39hRyQ1aKruCMw9Bz3tgR0xU/edit?usp=sharing

Should I add about their signage being below the eye line as shown in their photo below? (As the template states about signs being high, etc.)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B566YVH_AwVqLUQ3bTc5UWVqMHNqM2hpdkpPWHBESGVmd0Zv/view?usp=sharing

Thanks!

Coupon-mad

The banner pic in your Dropbox appeal isn't very clear, have you got a closer one so the Assessor can be in no doubt that the entrance sign offers parking contract at £1 an hour? That line is VERY hard to read.

Also, if you never got a NTK, say so, and if you did get one, have an appeal point which says in what way it is not POFA compliant.

Bexter8

Yes, both the closer photo and the Ntk are linked further back (you changed them to links for me as I was too new).

This photo was taken from where the car was parked but I can change it to the one taken a few paces to the side where you can read it better or include both?

You mentioned my NTK was not POFA compliant but I wasn't sure why as having read the links you said about a parapgraph being missing but there is one in mine that says they "may" go after the keeper so I wasn't sure what to write about POFA.

Bexter8

Is there somewhere that says what makes an NTK POFA compliant please? So I can figure out how mine isn't and add in a point in my POPLA appeal. Thanks.

Fruitcake

POFA compliance/non-compliance is based on a number of factors.

Did it arrive in the correct timeframe.
eg
If a windscreen ticket was given, did the NTK arrive between day 28 and 56?
If no windscreen ticket, did the NTK arrive by day 14?
(The day of the alleged event is day zero.)

Did the wording on the NTK match the very strict requirements of the POFA 2012 schedule in each and every respect?
The relevant schedule depends on whether a windscreen ticket or ANPR (or equivalent) NTK was given.
You need to compare the wording of the POFA schedule line by line and word by word with the NTK to see if they differ.

Umkomaas

The following links should help you.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2012/9/schedule/4/enacted

http://www.parkingcowboys.co.uk/keeper-liability/

You go through the NtK with a fine tooth comb- pedantically - it must meet the requirements of Schedule 4 of PoFA 2012 (linked above) exactly. 'Near enough' is not good enough!

List the discrepancies as you work through it.

Bexter8

Thank you!