Teacher told child she could wet herself

Guest101

Carrot007 wrote: »

It is equally important that stupid rules are ignored and challenged, probably more important actually.

And you'd be happy to lose your job over that?

BJV

Ok I got home last night and as I have an 11 year old - year 6 and a 14 year old already in secondary school I asked them what happens and what they would do. I was just curious as hey lots of back lash from teachers seeing going to the toilet as a slight on authority.

My Daughter said. I would try to go during break but sometimes you just have to go. It does not happen often but if needed she would put her hand up and ask. The teacher would ask if she could wait. Sometimes she admitted she would have a second think and say yes ok I can wait. Other times she would say no I can not and she would be able to go.

Same for my son.

It appears if you start to treat children as young people with respect they will respect the rules and the authority behind them. Work with the rules instead of fighting against them.

Guest101

BJV wrote: »

Ok I got home last night and as I have an 11 year old - year 6 and a 14 year old already in secondary school I asked them what happens and what they would do. I was just curious as hey lots of back lash from teachers seeing going to the toilet as a slight on authority.

My Daughter said. I would try to go during break but sometimes you just have to go. It does not happen often but if needed she would put her hand up and ask. The teacher would ask if she could wait. Sometimes she admitted she would have a second think and say yes ok I can wait. Other times she would say no I can not and she would be able to go.

Same for my son.

It appears if you start to treat children as young people with respect they will respect the rules and the authority behind them. Work with the rules instead of fighting against them.

the are other circumstances to consider, your children are no doubt well behaved and attentive members of the class. No reason for a teacher to consider this request as a chance to skive off.


Yes they should go at break times, and it seems they understand that. So it's no doubt a rare occurrence as you said

Frogletina

unholyangel wrote: »

Employment law does not permit an employer to tell you when to go to the toilet or not. But nor does it prohibit them from doing so (although there are groups trying to have that changed).

As for what basis....for example an employer using CCTV to monitor how many times employees go to the bathroom. Employees are still afforded a degree of privacy at work (because as I keep saying, your employer does not own you, they have merely hired your services to do a job). You can have CCTV trained on a till for example, but not on a staff member.

When I was working I was often monitored regarding going to the loo. At one time I had to put a code into my telephone when I needed the loo and the percentage of time was recorded. Other times I was not allowed to go if there was not a loo card available (they were hung up in the office) and I had to wait until someone in the office returned with a card before I was allowed to go. But if I really needed to go, I did and faced the consequences afterwards.

How someone is supposed to work or learn when needing the loo is something I've never understood.

Going back to my school days I remember that I needed to use the loo between every lesson that we had - double periods were not good for me. Also before and after lunch.

I do not remember any teacher refusing anyone who needed to go to the loo during lessons, though one would have to be brave to ask.

There were never any problems with our behaviour when we were out of the class for whatever reason because the school had very clear rules which were followed, and a headmistress who prowled about and took no nonsense from anyone.

frogletina

pimento

Speaking of using the loo while at work..

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pimento

louiseturner wrote: »

As for the argument of employees being able too use the loo Teachers not always can. I was desperate for the toilet all morning but had to wait until lunchtime

Why didn't you go in the break before class?

unholyangel

Guest101 wrote: »

Prisoners are compelled to be there, you are not.

Actually you are legally compelled to be there - under contract/employment law though rather than criminal. But just like a prisoner, you breach the terms of your incarceration and you'll be subject to the consequences of that breach.

Again, law either permits (or allows if you prefer) something or prohibits something. As the law says nothing on this matter, it is neither permitted/allowed nor prohibited by law. Meaning the legal position on the subject is unclear. Its different saying "theres nothing in law which stops them from doing so" to actually saying "the law allows them to do so" iyswim?

Yes, the law does require employers to provide toilet facilities under the The Workplace (Health, Safety and Welfare) Regulations 1992.

As for employment law, again something is either permitted by law or prohibited. It is not that dismissing employees with less than 2 years of service for no reason is allowed by law, its that only those with 103 weeks of service (although there are exceptions - such as discrimination of a protected characteristic or whistleblowers) have the right to bring a claim under such a cause.

As for CCTV...again you're wrong. Read the ICO's guide on CCTV - any monitoring needs to be justified. Nor can they use it for a purpose it wasn't intended for (ie if its set up for crime prevention/security, they can't then use it to check up on you and would be breaking the law by doing so). Covert monitoring is particularly hard to justify as is CCTV with audio recording enabled or any type of monitoring in places where theres a higher degree of privacy expected (such as bathrooms or changing rooms).

Going to the loo is part & parcel of being. Plus any such policy prohibiting toilet breaks would possibly disproportionately affect women. We have biological functions - theres no getting around it. We're not machines. As I said, I've heard of workplaces having policies to ensure "comfort" breaks aren't abused, but never one that downright prohibited you from going during working hours. Perhaps because when its nature calling, you need to answer.

LilElvis

louiseturner wrote: »

I was too busy preparing for the next lesson, but the children are not so should use their break time

You wouldn't have been so rushed preparing your lessons if you hadn't been posting on here at gone 1 in the morning and was on line here again at 8.43. I feel sorry for your pupils when their teacher hasn't prepared her lessons in advance and is working after only a few hours sleep.

Pollycat

louiseturner wrote: »

I was too busy preparing for the next lesson, but the children are not so should use their break time

I wonder what birtley90 was doing when you were busy preparing for the next lesson.....:whistle:

Jojo_the_Tightfisted

BJV wrote: »

How terrible!!!!

I would hate to think of my year 6 going to big school in sept needing the loo and not being able to go. I understand the fact that you may not want disruptions but surely it would be more distracting to have to wait.

Sorry but when I need to go I need to go. I am an adult and I can not predict if I will need the loo in the next 2 hours.

Yes school is a place of education respect AND TOLERANCE.

'Big School'? Do you mean Secondary Education?

I think, whatever has happened before now, you'll need to encourage your child to go during break or lunch, as wandering off to the loo during lessons really isn't permitted at Secondary Level. After all, the teachers aren't able to leave a class unsupervised to do it, it's perfectly possible outside certain medical issues which a doctor is able to verify, for somebody of that age to wait two hours - yes, exceptions are made for periods, but that's an exception, not the rule.


You may feel that you can go to the toilet whenever you like, but I don't suppose you do it in the street as soon as you feel an urge or stop on the motorway hard shoulder - you go when there is a legitimate opportunity, perhaps before you leave your home, then go again when there is the facility to do so - a cashier at a supermarket checkout can't leave the till whenever they like if it's busy, a bus driver can't hop out of the cab for a wee whilst there are passengers on board - the vast majority of us have to get used to not going whenever we feel like it, because it's how life is.


Functionally, it takes about two hours for water consumed to be fully dealt with by the body, so waiting from the end of lunch until the end of school seems perfectly in line with normal biological processes - assuming they don't consume caffeine containing drinks, which act as diuretics. The school day is roughly 9 to 11, so breakfast and loo trip before going to school takes you up to morning break, go again, have a drink of water, and you need to go again around 1 - lunchtime - do that, have lunch/drink and then it's just about the end of the school day, time to go, then go home and then there's the ability to go whenever you want (assuming nobody else is in the bath or loo at the precise time, whereby you just have to wait until they're done).


Medical conditions aside, it's not an abuse of human rights. Human Rights like not being massacred for being the wrong ethnicity, not being married off at the age of 6, being able to drink clean, safe water, being able to believe whatever faith (or none) that you have, are the ones that we need to be concerned with - not things like a kid being told they need to stay in class rather than trot off to the toilet in the middle of a lesson to wee/have a chat with a friend/play a game on their mobile/draw penises in boardmarker on the wall/set off the fire alarm.