Public Sector Pay Restraint Ending?

Tromking

Thrugelmir wrote: »

I've no time for ignorant people. Not enough hours in the day to be concerned with them. :santa2:

So when challenged to 'fess up' to the type of personal experience you said you had of working in, or close to a public service, you go quiet on me. Smacks of someone talking 'outwith' their backside.

Thrugelmir

Tromking wrote: »

So when challenged to 'fess up' to the type of personal experience you said you had of working in, or close to a public service, you go quiet on me. Smacks of someone talking 'outwith' their backside.

Me, I'm just a simple money man. Have been all my working life.
I let my axe do the talking. Backside talking is best left to the armchair critics. Who have very little experience of the real world. Tend to be narrow minded and loud mouthed too. As the saying goes. When the going gets tough. The tough get going.

Tromking

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Me, I'm just a simple money man. Have been all my working life.

...and yet you said you had first hand working experience of a public service in which you saw practices and mindsets that were inefficient, hence Nurses and the rest were undeserving of regular pay rises you said.
What was that public service Thrugelmir?
Steely eyed "money men" like you don't hide the way they formulate their opinions surely?

BobQ

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Me, I'm just a simple money man. Have been all my working life.
I let my axe do the talking.
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So you are one of these people who know the cost everything and the value of nothing? One who goes around identifying budgetary savings without knowing the consequences of those changes?

You sometimes make good points but the above gives the impression that you have done nothing useful in your bean counting career.

Tromking

BobQ wrote: »

So you are one of these people who know the cost everything and the value of nothing? One who goes around identifying budgetary savings without knowing the consequences of those changes?

You sometimes make good points but the above gives the impression that you have done nothing useful in your bean counting career.

The "bean counters" strike again!

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/we-got-our-figures-wrong-admit-prison-bosses-in-115m-bungle-2g3f9cdf8

Windofchange

Attended the monthly management meeting yesterday where I work - large London teaching hospital. Two quite pertinent things (amongst many) to come out of it:

1) The trust is currently operating with 43% of it's nursing posts unfilled. In other words they cannot recruit to just over 4 in 10 nursing posts. This is the case across the board in London. It is a crisis.

2) Recently a senior therapies role had one applicant who wasn't given the job as they didn't perform well enough at interview. This is a very senior post at a large London hospital - i.e. people are usually falling over each other to get through the door, but only one person applied.

Huge issues for recruitment and retention. People (in the healthcare sector at least) either cannot or don't want to work / live in London. The cost of living has become unsustainable for many. Nearly 100,000 left last year:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/31/leaving-london-means-i-can-afford-kids-readers-on-why-the-capital-lost-its-sparkle?CMP=fb_gu

This is the result of the continued madness with property costs amongst other things. Spend 50% of your salary on renting a room in London, or 50% of your salary renting a flat / house somewhere else. The people in the public sector at least seem to be voting with their feet, and for those on here who dismiss it all as hysteria and newspaper selling, take it from someone at the coal face, this is actually happening.

kabayiri

Windofchange wrote: »

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This is the result of the continued madness with property costs amongst other things. Spend 50% of your salary on renting a room in London, or 50% of your salary renting a flat / house somewhere else. The people in the public sector at least seem to be voting with their feet, and for those on here who dismiss it all as hysteria and newspaper selling, take it from someone at the coal face, this is actually happening.

Your assessment is as much a reflection on London economics as much as anything. I really can't see it changing soon though, the demand for accommodation outstrips supply.

Perhaps....there is a third way.

Make London the place where young medics(etc) cut their teeth. Provide assistance with accommodation.

As people get older and want to focus on family etc, help them by moving to other areas of the country where homes are more affordable.

You do see older people with family moving up to the nicer parts of the North West.

Windofchange

The solution to make young medics and other AHP's train in London and then move out is flawed. Every hospital needs junior staff. They are what make the whole thing run. 1 consultant doing the management, 15 juniors running round doing the blood tests, drug administration etc etc. You limit the supply to the north and you will screw every hospital north of the Watford gap. Provide people with subsidised accommodation? Probably not politically popular amongst many groups.

London is increasingly becoming a city of very rich and very poor with not a lot left in the middle. NHS wise London is in crisis. Can't recruit staff, can't retain them when they want to start a family etc etc. As I've mentioned on previous posts, I am out just as soon as I can persuade the other half.

There's plenty of housing supply, just very little of it affordable, but that has been done to death on other threads.

Thrugelmir

Windofchange wrote: »

There's plenty of housing supply, just very little of it affordable, but that has been done to death on other threads.

Then the problem lies elsewhere rather than simply increasing levels of pay. Crossrail should made an enormous difference to mobility.

economic

meanwhile ignoring all biases, junior doctors earn on average 37k. as a doctor progresses they should expect to earn low 6 figures into their 30s.

i really dont see the problem. its ok and perfectly possible to rent in your 20s and save up to buy in your 30s.