Public Sector Pay Restraint Ending?

paparossco

BobQ wrote: »

Are you sure?

It is a few years since I read the Hutton Reforms but I would assume so as individual contributions are up, it is now a CARE rather than Final Salary and the pension age is no longer 65 but pegged to the State Pension age. Time will tell?

System

The only way it could be better than DC schemes and still return a surplus is if the underlying investments were unusually aggressive, I suppose it could be if the government is underwriting it

Thrugelmir

Tromking wrote: »

I love the fact that the solution for many of the usual suspects on here to the increasingly chronic public sector remuneration/retention conundrum, is to worsen the 'package' on offer further.
It doesn't make sense!

That's why only 1% is on offer. In our organisation benchmarking against other large local organisations revealed that staff were indeed paid more than markets rates for comparable types of work. We've many on grades too high for the responsibilities and work that they actually undertake (historical reasons). Over the past 4 years we've had various a number of VE rounds in various departments. Surprising how many have ultimately return to the Public Sector in some guise. Albeit on lower gares and pay. As they didn't find the private sector such an easy place to work nor as remunerating. Others are still out of work.

I've a colleague who left from an affilated organisation last September. Still out of work. Thought at 53. Would be so so easy. Now that large lump sum payoff looks far less appealing. Also the loss of 10 months pension contributions to consider.

Tromking

Thrugelmir wrote: »

That's why only 1% is on offer. In our organisation benchmarking against other large local organisations revealed that staff were indeed paid more than markets rates for comparable types of work.

That'll be the 1% on offer that isn't enough in some roles to keep staff in post? Hence my point that in the face of that fact, some on here (inc. you I think) then talk inexplicably about reducing remuneration further.
As you like to reference your own connection with public service, can I ask the nature of the task you did or do still perform?
I maybe making a wild assumption here, but you do realise that there's a world of difference between a desk bound administrative task and a frontline public service role?
This is a political hot potato because the case for paying Nurses and Firefighters et al now has political traction, not because you can recite hackneyed arguments about PS inefficiencies sat at a desk.
I'm happy to be corrected by you if my assumptions about your situation is in error.

sevenhills

Tromking wrote: »

I love the fact that the solution for many of the usual suspects on here to the increasingly chronic public sector remuneration/retention conundrum, is to worsen the 'package' on offer further. It doesn't make sense!

I dont think it makes sense to have a pay rate increase that is country wide.

We may have a shortage of teachers and a glut of manual workers, pay should be flexible to reflect that.

Thrugelmir

sevenhills wrote: »

I dont think it makes sense to have a pay rate increase that is country wide.

An NHS matron earns the same in Grimsby as Sevenoaks. No logic at all.

TyreLever

RichardD1970 wrote: »

I work in an unskilled factory job.

For straight days, doing a 37hr week, with no overtime, I earn just around £34,500.

For 3 shifts (36hrs pw) I will earn about £42,000 pa.

Overtime is abundant and I could easily earn over £50,000, if I wanted to work the hours.

Yes, I realise I am quite lucky, but I do think a nurse does a much more vital and high stress job and don't begrudge them being paid generously for it.

Tromking

Thrugelmir wrote: »

An NHS matron earns the same in Grimsby as Sevenoaks. No logic at all.

We used to have regional pay in the prison service, London weighting was pensionable whereas I dont think it is now. Experienced staff used to augment their pension by taking a promotion or transferring to London for their last few years in the job. No staff retention problem in London and the south east back then.
There are numerous non pensionable recruitment and retention payments on offer, none of which seem to be working.
Go figure!

Herzlos

RichardD1970 wrote: »

I work in an unskilled factory job.

For straight days, doing a 37hr week, with no overtime, I earn just around £34,500.

For 3 shifts (36hrs pw) I will earn about £42,000 pa.

Overtime is abundant and I could easily earn over £50,000, if I wanted to work the hours.

Yes, I realise I am quite lucky, but I do think a nurse does a much more vital and high stress job and don't begrudge them being paid generously for it.

Can't be many unskilled factory workers getting £20/hour. Nearly 3x the minimum wage most of them are on.

What do you actually do? Is it actually unskilled?

Jack_Johnson_the_acorn

As a public sector worker who has suffered a horrible 7 year pay freeze i'm looking forward to this pay rise. We deserve it, luckily I was promoted mid way through otherwise it would have been pretty demoralising.

People who claim that we shouldn't get a pay rise because of the poor private sector want a race to the bottom, the government should be a beacon of excellence, instead they claim that people deserve a living wage but pay a large proportion of their workforce much less.