Council putting double yellow lines outside my house

AdrianC

MaebyJade wrote: »

I didn't ask specifically about parking as I assumed this came with the property. Stupid I know but the plans/map we signed when reserving the property didn't have any road markings (other roads did).

Even if you had, the answer would have been "there are no current plans". Those plans are now starting, and you - as a resident - are being consulted on them. You need to engage with that consultation.

I did have a read of my solicitors report and the lease agreement and on there is says this:

"The right of way on foot and vehicular access over the estate roads and accessways. The Landlord may from time to time close stop up divert or extinguish the route of any such accessways but that in the event of the Tenant's access to the property being materially and adversely affected the Landlord shall provide an alternative route which is not significantly less commodious than the existing route."

Which says nothing at all about parking. Only that there is a right of vehicular access through the estate, and that any road closures will include an alternative access. If it's the council consulting on the parking arrangements, that's separate to your lease anyway.

I suspect the works are so that the council can adopt the roadways. This means that they won't be paid for out of the service charge you pay the developer, but out of your council tax.

PasturesNew

Alter_ego wrote: »

It is legal you know to stop on double yellows to unload the shopping.

Is it? Or do some people just make that up and then enough say it that it's believed?

And if you get a ticket, do they accept "I was unloading my shopping, I took it out, locked the car up, then carried the bags to my house 25 yards away, opened the door, put the shopping in, locked the house up again, walked back to the car for the last 2 bags ...and I had a ticket"

AdrianC

PasturesNew wrote: »

Is it? Or do some people just make that up and then enough say it that it's believed?

This is basic Highway Code stuff. ALL drivers should know it by heart. It's why they tested your knowledge before giving you a driving licence, remember?

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/road-markings

Waiting restrictions
Waiting restrictions indicated by yellow lines apply to the carriageway, pavement and verge. You may stop to load or unload (unless there are also loading restrictions as described below) or while passengers board or alight. Double yellow lines mean no waiting at any time, unless there are signs that specifically indicate seasonal restrictions. The times at which the restrictions apply for other road markings are shown on nearby plates or on entry signs to controlled parking zones. If no days are shown on the signs, the restrictions are in force every day including Sundays and Bank Holidays.

Red Route stopping controlsRed lines are used on some roads instead of yellow lines. In London the double and single red lines used on Red Routes indicate that stopping to park, load/unload or to board and alight from a vehicle (except for a licensed taxi or if you hold a Blue Badge) is prohibited. The red lines apply to the carriageway, pavement and verge. The times that the red line prohibitions apply are shown on nearby signs, but the double red line ALWAYS means no stopping at any time. On Red Routes you may stop to park, load/unload in specially marked boxes and adjacent signs specify the times and purposes and duration allowed. A box MARKED IN RED indicates that it may only be available for the purpose specified for part of the day (eg between busy peak periods). A box MARKED IN WHITE means that it is available throughout the day.
RED AND SINGLE YELLOW LINES CAN ONLY GIVE A GUIDE TO THE RESTRICTIONS AND CONTROLS IN FORCE AND SIGNS, NEARBY OR AT A ZONE ENTRY, MUST BE CONSULTED.

DoaM

z1a wrote: »

Just wondering what a semi detached terrace is?

Manxman_in_exile wrote: »

I would expect most people to understand that it was one of the two end houses in a terrace. Most sellers describe them as semi-detached. Presumably more attractive to purchasers than a terraced house.

I also had never heard of a semi-detached terrace.

End-terrace .............. that's how I've always known them, and how they've always been called. Except I guess that the new description is meant to try and make them sound more upmarket.

Le_Kirk

MaebyJade wrote: »

In the letter they say that there will be a drop-in consolation session this Thursday.

I presume you mean consultation but it may be that a consolation session is about right because someone who worked in Local Government for a long time told me that a consultation session is "we've decided already to do [insert whatever] and we are going to give you a chance to talk about it but we are doing it anyway!"

AdrianC

Le_Kirk wrote: »

I presume you mean consultation but it may be that a consolation session is about right because someone who worked in Local Government for a long time told me that a consultation session is "we've decided already to do [insert whatever] and we are going to give you a chance to talk about it but we are doing it anyway!"

That's simply because very few consultation sessions actually bring up anything that hasn't already been considered.

Herzlos

Do a bit of prep work and then go to the consultation meeting.

What is the area they are offering permits for like? How busy is it now? How busy will it be with the new residents? How long does it take to walk there? Are all of the residents capable of such a walk? Where are the visitor spaces going? Will there by any allowance for loading/unloading?

What's at the other side of the road? Does the road lead anywhere or is it a dead end? Does it need to be paved on both sides? Is there anywhere to put parking spaces? Can it be made one-way?

Herzlos

AdrianC wrote: »

That's simply because very few consultation sessions actually bring up anything that hasn't already been considered.

The ones I've been to have had any objections completely disregarded, because as you said, they've already been ruled out (not necessarily fairly) and they've more or less committed to the plan of action.

PasturesNew

AdrianC wrote: »

This is basic Highway Code stuff. ALL drivers should know it by heart. It's why they tested your knowledge before giving you a driving licence, remember?

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/road-markings

I just knew not to park on double yellows, for any reason.

I've just spent my life avoiding them. I've never needed to load/unload - and then that becomes a matter that can become awkward (e.g. if you're ticketed) .... so I just never, ever, stop on or near double yellows

Loading/unloading ... then locking the car and leaving it on double yellows .... is just open to you being "caught". If they ticket you in your absence, how can you prove you were loading/unloading....

AdrianC

PasturesNew wrote: »

Loading/unloading ... then locking the car and leaving it on double yellows .... is just open to you being "caught". If they ticket you in your absence, how can you prove you were loading/unloading....

Loading and unloading is exactly that. Loading and unloading. Simply taking a load from the nearest available (legal) point on the road to the destination or vice-versa. Bare minimum... If you're out of sight of the vehicle for more than a negligible amount of time, you aren't loading/unloading.

If you're talking about your shopping, then it's putting the bags in the hallway just inside the front door, and moving the car. It is not unpacking the bags into the fridge/freezer/cupboard, putting the kettle on, having a quick check of phone messages, THEN moving the car.