Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

GreatApe

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

-problem it solves is providing housing to the poorest and most vulnerable, who cant afford market rents or have special requirements that make the private sector inappropriate (people who are in sheltered accommodation). I think social housing, with stock replenished to replace those lost under right to buy, is the most efficient way of providing something too important to be left to the market.
- the correct amount is however much is needed to provide for those that meet the criteria, e..g under means testing or criteria such as victims of domestic violence. An arbitrary percentage as you have come up with would serve what purpose exactly? That would offer no flexibility up or down to meet additional societal needs or when demand goes down.
- i dont agree. Labour flexibility is lower with such a high number of owner occupiers for one. Im not sure of the stats and situations 15 years ago, but the situation now with so much public money wasted on housing benefit, and meeting statutory housing responsibility through the use of B&Bs is the worst idea going.

What proportion of our population is 'poorest and most vulnerable'?

BobQ

GreatApe wrote: »

London is building a lot more social housing than it's selling as half of all new builds need to be social. But the lines will never end just like inner London was 60% social 20% owner 20% rental and yet there were lines for more and more and social homes and lines of homeless and lines of people on B&Vs clearly more social doesn't solve those problems at all

Council homes are being sold off almost three times faster than local authorities can replace them, new analysis has revealed, with some local authorities selling 20 times the number of homes that were built in three years.
Analysis of figures from 72 councils who responded to freedom of information requests found the mass selloff has raised more than £930m from the sale of more than 12,000 council house since 2014. In those boroughs, just 4,309 houses were built in the same time

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jun/28/council-homes-sold-off-almost-three-times-as-fast-as-new-ones-are-built

GreatApe

BobQ wrote: »

And the answer to the question asked is?

London has a higher social quota and probably sells fewer social homes since the price is a lot more expensive. Last time I checked the social figures were growing. Since I'm on my phone I can't check right now. If you want to do it the councils lost the percentage of their new builds that are social for the previous year and the one lists by area RTB sales

ukcarper

GreatApe wrote: »

Look at the London plan its been 50% social for some time now. My council last time I checked they hit 49.9% social for all new builds. Probably a couple of self builders meant it was not exactly 50%

Is that social or affordable housing?

lisyloo

London councils need to sort out unoccupied social housing property.
I live in a social housing block and the flat next to me has been long term unoccupied. When the alarm battery was fiat it took 2-3 weeks to get the tenant to sort it and only once I'd got a warrant to break in (legally). I've reported it as I feel it's morally wrong when nearby Grendel residents need homes. They say they are going to look into it.

lisyloo

GreatApe wrote: »

Which question? How many of the new builds are social? Each council records that so you have to check. My council last I check was 49.9% social for new builds. London target is 50%

RTB sales are also listed, they are quite low notionally and probably lower in London

Nationally, nominally and notional too.

bobbymotors

There never has and never will be enough council housing in central London to house every body living there that needs it, is not practically possible to house the children of people in council accommodation in the area they live. People have to take responsibility for themselves. You are the opposite of great ape and economic, in my opinion social housing is a necessity but it is not a right.

Yep. A necessity NOT a right.

lisyloo

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

People above have been arguing there should be no social housing in zones 1 and 2! Thats a rather large area covering several boroughs, which some people would like to make the preserve of the rich. Id say im arguing against the point theyre making.

In principal I don't believe that people who've fallen on hard times have a right to live where they choose or were brought up or have family (salaried people don't have that right and many of us have to move for work - we've done that with some downside and no you don't always have choices For example live in an area without much work).
I do however appreciate there are practical issues e.g. My step-mother cared for both her parents for years because they lived next door and saved the state a six figure sum in care (I'm looking at nursing homes right now and the go from £700-£1200 per week).

gfplux

vivatifosi wrote: »

Here are today's Brexit headlines, there should be something in here for everyone:

Davis urges talks on withdrawal and trade at the same time:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/aug/20/brexit-davis-urges-brussels-rethink-on-holding-withdrawal-and-trade-talks-at-same-time

Hard Brexit offers £135bn annual boost to economy:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40972776

British Brexit plan is more Blackadder than Machiavelli:
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/cliff-taylor-british-brexit-plan-is-more-blackadder-than-machiavelli-1.3190889

Britain not ruling out EU oversight of borders post Brexit:
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-customs-idUKKCN1B0080

Thank you for those Brexit links. Are you sure this is the right thread for them?

gfplux

vivatifosi wrote: »

Here are today's Brexit headlines, there should be something in here for everyone:

Davis urges talks on withdrawal and trade at the same time:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/aug/20/brexit-davis-urges-brussels-rethink-on-holding-withdrawal-and-trade-talks-at-same-time

Hard Brexit offers £135bn annual boost to economy:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40972776

British Brexit plan is more Blackadder than Machiavelli:
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/cliff-taylor-british-brexit-plan-is-more-blackadder-than-machiavelli-1.3190889

Britain not ruling out EU oversight of borders post Brexit:
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-customs-idUKKCN1B0080

First link,
So Davis and/or the British Government having agreed to the order of the talks now want to change it. Go whistle comes to mind!