Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

Arklight

Fella wrote: »

Having done everything she could to raise her own profile with various attempts to thwart the will of 17 million people, Gina Miller is suprisingly, um, surprised that it turns out most of them can't stand her & some of them are fruitcakes:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/antibrexit-campaigner-gina-miller-scared-to-leave-her-home-after-acid-attack-threats-a3608161.html

Sometimes the poor dear even has to cope with the filthy Brexit-voting plebs walking towards her on the street.

“If it came to the point that it was just too much to bear from a security point of view, if I sat down with my police teams and we felt that it was a really serious threat, I would have to seriously consider leaving the UK,” she added.

How would everybody cope without her? Who would protect us from democracy?

That aside, are there really police TEAMS dedicated to nothing more than ensuring Ms Miller can go for a stroll safe from the public? Wonder what that's costing.

Hopefully whatever it needs to, considering the psychos who've lined up behind Brexit include Jo Cox's murderer and the man who offered £5000 to anyone who kills Gina. Who I believe is now in prison.

The only thing Miller has done has insisted that due process and sovereignty of parliament remain in place through the Brexit negotiations. Rather than it turn into a stitch up run by poorly educated bigots.

Good on her.

gfplux

Thrugelmir wrote: »

But you don't live in the UK and do little else buy continually but complain about it. :wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall:

Wrong, wrong, wrong. Sorry I don't do little animated things.

I do not complain about Britain (it)
I complain, winge, shout, scream, cry, tear my hair out, stamp my foot, highlight how the experts are slowly statistic by stastistic, fact by fact, being shown to be right, about the Disaster that is/will be BREXIT.
This "thing" this x rated horror called Brexit will severely damage the country of my birth. That after over 40 years of growth and security, Britain led by strangely (why strange because it's the ring, my precious, of power, that they seek) incompetent politicians want to jump in to the unknown. They lead you with sirens or the pipes of pan with them because they don't care one jot for you, only their place in history.
You as a Brexiter will continue to defend the indefensible because somehow this "jump" is an adventure that will lighten up your life. As you walk backwards through history, remember, this leap of faith for others is an almost immediate life changing event.

Yes, you touched a nerve.

cogito

gfplux wrote: »

Wrong, wrong, wrong. Sorry I don't do little animated things.

I do not complain about Britain (it)
I complain, winge, shout, scream, cry, tear my hair out, stamp my foot, highlight how the experts are slowly statistic by stastistic, fact by fact, being shown to be right, about the Disaster that is/will be BREXIT.
This "thing" this x rated horror called Brexit will severely damage the country of my birth. That after over 40 years of growth and security, Britain led by strangely (why strange because it's the ring, my precious, of power, that they seek) incompetent politicians want to jump in to the unknown. They lead you with sirens or the pipes of pan with them because they don't care one jot for you, only their place in history.
You as a Brexiter will continue to defend the indefensible because somehow this "jump" is an adventure that will lighten up your life. As you walk backwards through history, remember, this leap of faith for others is an almost immediate life changing event.

Yes, you touched a nerve.

You think Britain succeeded because of the EU. Others think it succeeded despite the EU. If membership of the EU guaranteed economic prosperity, how is it that so many members suffer sluggish growth and high unemployment?

By all means by starry eyed about this sclerotic, undemocratic, protectionist club. Some of us actually see it for what it is.

You may think that Brexit will be a disaster for the UK. Personally, I believe it will be a disaster for the EU as indeed do many European politicians.

BobQ

kabayiri wrote: »

It's all a power play. Both parties will be looking for small ways they can prove they have one over the other party, IMO.

The idea of being the 'bigger person' is just fanciful.

It will be the same with the Irish border issue, and the settlement figure.

I think you are right.

But we have made our Brexit bed and now we must lie on it. This process is going to leave us up a creek without a paddle. BoJo has a lot to answer for.

I am just grateful that I have an EU passport and an opportunity to retire abroad.

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

I complain, winge, shout, scream, cry, tear my hair out, stamp my foot, highlight how the experts are slowly statistic by stastistic, fact by fact, being shown to be right, about the Disaster that is/will be BREXIT.

You quote what you fits your agenda. The UK will simply adapt to the outcome.

Seems as if the EU rules have cost the UK dearly. Will this be factored into the divorce bill?

The acquisition of Worldpay in a deal that values it at £7bn more than the price fetched by Royal Bank of Scotland for the business seven years ago has raised concerns the taxpayer has lost out from EU state aid rules.

American payments processor Vantis on Wednesday agreed to buy its FTSE 100 rival for £9.1bn, including debt, in a deal that creates an transatlantic industry giant.

It comes after RBS sold an 80pc stake in Worldpay to private equity houses Advent and Bain in 2010 in a buyout that valued the payments business at as much as £2bn, including debt.

RBS, which remains 71pc taxpayer-owned following its bailout during the crisis, was forced to dispose of Worldpay and other businesses to meet EU rules that demanded the divestment of non-core assets.

GreatApe

Having had dinner tonight with some EU citizen the general feel of the atmosphere was that they are taking this EU vote personally. If that is true for EU politicians too then I fear it might be a case of biting your nose off to spite your face. They may be willing to harm us economically even if it harms themselves. A messy divorce.

Hopefully the two year, or perhaps 2 year + extension will see ill feelings diminish

Thrugelmir

GreatApe wrote: »

Having had dinner tonight with some EU citizen the general feel of the atmosphere was that they are taking this EU vote personally.

Doesn't sound as if they've made the UK their home then. Here out of economic convenience and personal benefit. Rather than putting real roots down.

fatbeetle

GreatApe wrote: »

They may be willing to harm us economically even if it harms themselves. A messy divorce.

Who would want to stay in that group?

mayonnaise

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Doesn't sound as if they've made the UK their home then. Here out of economic convenience and personal benefit. Rather than putting real roots down.

What are they supposed to do to put real roots down?

vivatifosi

gfplux wrote: »

Given my own personal circumstances after much anxiety I have reached a personal place after 13 months that "nothing is agreed until everything is agreed"
When my way of life and that of my family can be dramatically changed I just have to ignore the (often petty) detail dropped in a briefing or written to committees as they say "that way madness lies"

This is an aspect of Brexit that I don't think we discuss enough.

While I may not agree with all you write about Brexit, the degree of uncertainty it is causing is horrible. It doesn't matter whether those affected are Brits in Europe, or EU citizens here, it is clearly very stressful.

I hope you get answers about your future soon.