Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

Thrugelmir

Herzlos wrote: »

I think he's saying that if farmers need migrants to harvest a crop, the migration policy will allow in those migrants. Or any other business with recruitment needs not being satisfied by local resources. So basically he's talking about keeping the same movement rules, actually enforcing them, and spending more on administration than we save.

The same movement rules are as far as the EU is concerned FOM. Strawpickers can easily be dealt with under temporary working visas. The actual issue is far more complex. Until Corbyn fleshes out a proposal it's little more than a soundbite.

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

Tories seem keen on reducing the migration that we do need, which is worse.
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We have a broken migration process, and that crock called FOM has no fix to this situation.

Look at the facts. Currently, unrestricted migration across 500m people; an UK industry with demand (NHS); and they still can't fill certain positions.

Oh, we don't have shortage of turnip pickers or coffee sellers, so it must be working! What a joke.

We need a process which lets us focus and attract the skills we need when we need them, not some hit n hope mechanism.

always_sunny

kabayiri wrote: »

All the Remainers on here should be angry at how their Remain Team totally failed to understand the nature of the opposition.

I think they're more angry at the Leavers getting conned!:rotfl:

always_sunny

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The same movement rules are as far as the EU is concerned FOM. Strawpickers can easily be dealt with under temporary working visas. The actual issue is far more complex. Until Corbyn fleshes out a proposal it's little more than a soundbite.

And the same can be controlled by applying FoM rules. i.e. no job after 3 months and off you go.

always_sunny

kabayiri wrote: »

We have a broken migration process, and that crock called FOM has no fix to this situation.

Look at the facts. Currently, unrestricted migration across 500m people; an UK industry with demand (NHS); and they still can't fill certain positions.

Oh, we don't have shortage of turnip pickers or coffee sellers, so it must be working! What a joke.

We need a process which lets us focus and attract the skills we need when we need them, not some hit n hope mechanism.

There's a process already and it is making the job more attractive, either financially or through benefits. Nurse pay in the UK is not overly high for the amount of (reported) abuse they need to cop from patients.

Putting additional red tape will not ease the shortage even though it looks more focused.

For example a Filippino nurse needs to apply for a visa for the UK and based on same efforts (applying for a visa) decide whether the UK is better than say Australia.
In the future an EU nurse will do the same because of red-tape.

kabayiri

always_sunny wrote: »

I think they're more angry at the Leavers getting conned!:rotfl:

If you continually engage with politicians who are con artists, then at some point you're going to get conned.

One Gordon Brown promised an end to boom & bust. I was conned.

A certain Labour defence minister promised an air refuelling tanker for £1.5bn. It cost over £10bn. I was conned.

The LibDems promised on the student fees situation when in coallition power. They failed. Another con.

I'm surprised you see Brexit any different.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

All this talk of fananciers/bankers already leaving London is another lie it would appear from news today:

Many financial companies have said they will move some British jobs to continental Europe to keep serving clients in the single market. However Hays (HAYS.L) said it had not received requests to make large-scale hires in Europe.
"The reality on the ground is there has been little or no movement at all so far," Finance Director Paul Venables said.

On Wednesday, smaller group Robert Walters (RWA.L) said banks continued to hire significant numbers of people in London and that it had yet to see jobs move to Europe.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-hays-outlook-idUKKBN19Z0L4?il=0

always_sunny

kabayiri wrote: »

I'm surprised you see Brexit any different.

Absolutely but this is at a very big level, something that can't be reversed with a GE!

Herzlos

kabayiri wrote: »

We have a broken migration process, and that crock called FOM has no fix to this situation.

What's actually broken about it?

We have the ability to remove people who after 3 months have no job or way of supporting themselves, so it's not that. Is it saturation in locations or industries that's the problem?

Look at the facts. Currently, unrestricted migration across 500m people; an UK industry with demand (NHS); and they still can't fill certain positions.

So the problem is that we're not getting enough migrants? Or just not the right migrants?

Herzlos

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

All this talk of fananciers/bankers already leaving London is another lie it would appear from news today:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-hays-outlook-idUKKBN19Z0L4?il=0

So a recruitment company hasn't seen any requests to advertise for posts in offices that doesn't exist yet, and you're using that to claim that banks aren't actually going to move jobs?

Are Hays going to be asked to do the recruiting?
Are UK based staff going to be asked to move to the EU?