Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

gfplux

For everyone's information here is a link to the EU's view on transparency.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/article-50-negotiations-united-kingdom/european-commissions-approach-transparency-article-50-negotiations-united-kingdom_en

"The Commission, as European Union negotiator, will ensure a maximum level of transparency during the whole negotiating process.

Commission negotiating documents which are shared with EU Member States, the European Council, the European Parliament, the Council, national parliaments, and the United Kingdom will be released to the public.

Negotiating documents on Article 50

gfplux

For further reading this is the link to A50 negotiating documents prepared by the EU

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/article-50-negotiations-united-kingdom/negotiating-documents-article-50-negotiations-united-kingdom_en

Those dated 12 June and sent to the U.K. Are the important ones.

cogito

I've felt for some time that the EU negotiating documents are anything but and that the EU will try to insist on calling all the shots. They are basically an arrogant bunch and have been encouraged by the election result to think that they have the UK by the cojones. If they bring that position to the negotiating table and prove to be as inflexible as I think they will be, then they will simply bring about a position where we leave without an agreement.

I won't call it a hard Brexit because there is no such thing. The so-called soft Brexit is no Brexit at all.

StevieJ

Good article from an influential Brexiteer. I am very hopeful now of a sensible outcome to the carnage that could be BREXIT.

For liberal, free-market Brexiteers, the election shock is a gift from Mount Olympus. We are dancing cartwheels and quaffing our sparkling Kentish wines.

Theresa May’s plummeting star is an entirely unexpected chance to refashion British withdrawal from the European Union along different lines. It re-opens the possibility of a ‘Norwegian’ solution or close variant, an option that she shut down prematurely without debate because it limits her ability to control inflows of EU workers.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/06/10/rejection-theresa-mays-little-englander-brexit-splendid-news/
http://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/columns/fuller-treacy-money/27957/rejection-of-theresa-may-s-little-englander-brexit-is-splendid-news-27957.html

padington

gfplux wrote: »

Sadly it looks that way.
Britain has lost the initiative.

We're the perceived idiots of the world. The uncouth. The undiplomatic. The irrational. The racist. The selfish. The stupid. The disloyal. The poor negotiator. The backward. The weak. The wobbly. The country with no mates.

It's a disgrace and the Tory party will pay for this for a long long time and so will all of us.

Crashy_Time

padington wrote: »

We're the perceived idiots of the world. The uncouth. The undiplomatic. The irrational. The racist. The selfish. The stupid. The disloyal. The poor negotiator. The backward. The weak. The wobbly. The country with no mates.

It's a disgrace and the Tory party will pay for this for a long long time and so will all of us.

And the EU are a shining beacon of light and fiscal responsibility?:rotfl: Wake up.

Thrugelmir

padington wrote: »

We're the perceived idiots of the world. The uncouth. The undiplomatic. The irrational. The racist. The selfish. The stupid. The disloyal. The poor negotiator. The backward. The weak. The wobbly. The country with no mates.

It's a disgrace and the Tory party will pay for this for a long long time and so will all of us.

Speak for yourself. Not a view that I recognise from talking to friends and colleagues that live and work around the globe.

Zero_Gravitas

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Speak for yourself. Not a view that I recognise from talking to friends and colleagues that live and work around the globe.

Then clearly you must be talking to people on other planets.

My friends and colleagues, both in Europe and the rest of the world, are aghast at all the incredible acts of self-harm this country is inflicting on itself at the moment.

StevieJ

ilovehouses wrote: »

We can leave the EU by storming out of negotiations and pretending the EU are dead to us or we can leave the EU whilst having a deal that is 'tantamount to membership'. Both implement the referendum result.

We fought so hard to ensure parliament remained sovereign. Why don't we let them decide?

Then again why don't we just ask the country, sorry I forgot referendums are undemocratic post June 23 2016 :-) BTW I think we just did this and the electorate said, we want to leave the EU but we don't want to shoot ourselves in the foot.

StevieJ

steampowered wrote: »

You do understand that Norway, Iceland and Switzerland all accepted free movement of people - i.e. unlimited immigration from the EU, without any ability for the local government to control numbers?

And that they are required to accept EU laws on trade, without having any opportunity to input into the creation of those laws?

That is the "off the shelf" type of arrangement which the UK will need to accept if it wants to retain full access to the single market.

Of course I understand! I would much prefer the preferential deal we just gave up.