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Herzlos

kabayiri wrote: »

May has shown that she will be prepared to upset people. She is a lot more like Merkel than Cameron.

She's prepared to upset people, but then so is Trump. That on it's own doesn't matter. Merkel seems to believe what she says and isn't worried upsetting people because she's confident enough in what she's doing. May seems to be prepared to upset people because it's pretty much all she has left at this stage.

kabayiri

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

For me, the failing is how you project the strong stance you are taking.
Mays stance of shouting it loud and proud is not strong in my opinion and at risk of simply being bluster. All words an no negotiating tactic.
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We can only guess at negotiating tactics.

I reckon this whole A50 period will have different periods. Right now, it has been a war of words, intended to smoke out the commitment of the opposition.

Merkel has done this just as much as May has. Juncker has proved himself a liability and by calling Merkel directly after the dinner he has shown implicit bias towards the real power house in the EU.

This is no union of equals. It never has been.

It won't be a fair negotiation. It will involve lots of threats and spoiling tactics.

Do you really think the USA tries to play nice when negotiating with the EU, or China? Rubbish. They all try and use whatever they can to get the best results.

BobQ

Yah_Boo_Sux wrote: »

I can tell you why.

It's in no small part because of the vehement and vocal pro-EU protagonists.......................Well there ya go - it's thanks to YOU in very large part that Theresa May called a General Election.

My fault?

I strongly believe that the nation was wrong to vote for Brexit, but whatever the reasons that decision has been made. We are leaving whatever the damage.

May had a workable majority and did not need to call an election. She has done this for political advantage.

Political advantage?
Well you have to say something like that after you've been squawking for the better part of a year, don't you? Or at least, you gotta say something. It's just that no matter what you say, it's not going to improve your pro-EU argument or prevent you from looking as unreasonable as you now do.

All I have said is Brexit is a mistake that we are all stuck with. I am not the one who needs to be reasonable, this is just my opinion. Nothing that has happened since June will change my mind but I do accept we are leaving. Why is that unreasonable?

If you don't want Brexit, vote LibDem. If you don't want May but want Brexit (and mega-debt for a future UK) vote Corbyn. Roll on June 8th. And don't worry BobQ, I feel certain you will find much to whinge about post-GE too.

So disagreeing with your opinion is a whinge in your view.?

I am amazed that Corbyn is still in the reckoning, it just shows how badly Mrs May is performing. Her pathetic no show this evening means that she is in danger of making Corbyn look good as she U turns her way through the campaign and giggles in the background. I am shocked as her lack of leadership, but given how bad the other party leaders are it should not matter.

My original point still stands. She had no reason to do this except to sort out her own party's lack of loyalty to her policies.

BobQ

kinger101 wrote: »

Both Labour and Conservatives would have agreed to whatever had been negotiated, because as they continually parrot out "the electorate have spoken".

Really, this was about May having her own manifesto to deliver. Her problem wasn't the House of Commons (although her majority is slim) but the House of Lords. They are less likely to block anything in a manifesto.

I can understand why she has done it. It's about not wanting to continue Cameron's government.

So it is about the internal factions in the Tory Party? A majority is a majority unless her party fails to support her.

Or is it just about an easy life, crushing all opposition?

kabayiri

BobQ wrote: »

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Or is it just about an easy life, crushing all opposition?

Didn't people on here suggest it was political opportunism?

There was a theory that Corbyn would have been dumped by his own party before the year was out anyway.

Perhaps May did not want to face a stronger successor, and wanted to capitalise on Labour at a weak point.

The irony is that Corbyn is like a man reborn, approaching the election like he has nothing to lose. He can indeed promise all sorts to the electorate. The weight of office is not upon his shoulders.

Ballard

BobQ wrote: »

So disagreeing with your opinion is a whinge in your view.?

For many (but by no means all) Brexiteers, to disagree with Brexit is simply wrong. It matters not that every Remainer that I know has accepted that we're leaving the EU and aren't trying to derail it. Simply not agreeing with the government on this is all too often viewed as being undemocratic (hence the idiotic 'Remoaner' tag).

Note that I use 'Brexiteer' despite one poster complaining that it was insulting. The reason that I use it is that the UKIP leader (and others) use it to describe those who voted to leave. I don't, therefore, see that it can be considered an insult and I certainly don't use it in that way

Moby

Herzlos wrote: »

She's prepared to upset people, but then so is Trump. That on it's own doesn't matter. Merkel seems to believe what she says and isn't worried upsetting people because she's confident enough in what she's doing. May seems to be prepared to upset people because it's pretty much all she has left at this stage.

She is prepared to upset people. Problem for her is no one she is negotiating with will care. Her performance and miscalculations during this campaign will have been observed on the continent with relish.

DiggerUK

If you send someone to stand in on your behalf, it's usual to make sure that they are 'on message' and toe your line.
If any of you want to know if Rudd is nice or nasty, then have a read of this article..._
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk

Conrad

DiggerUK wrote: »

If any of you want to know if Rudd is nice or nasty, then have a read of this article..._
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk

Whereas those on the left are Apostles here to spread heaven on Earth with free pennies from heaven, bliss.

Let's carry on with nice mass immigration and keep lower end wages low, let's not train UK youth to be builders, let's not improve productivity but instead import masses of workers to keep productivity low, housing demand up, environmental impacts up, congestion up.

It will all be bliss under the nice people, that btw will keep us in the EU

Trust me if the nice people end up running the country you will see division like never before especially when people wake up to having been conned by the nice lefty people, as they cannot get a house thanks to vast immigration and wage relentlessly kept down.

IveSeenTheLight

Moby wrote: »

She is prepared to upset people. Problem for her is no one she is negotiating with will care. Her performance and miscalculations during this campaign will have been observed on the continent with relish.

Not a problem being strong and tough in negotiations and being prepared to upset people. The issue is how you go about the process.

So far TM's strategy does not promote good negotiation.