Suspended - Pending Disciplinary

ohreally

Speak with your rep about your lack of training and policy compliance, s/he may want to introduce this into your case statement.

You need to ensure your employer realises there will be no further repetition.

attilla.the.hun

sangie595 wrote: »

No, that is quite ridiculous. There is no hatred or loathing. What there is is a questioning of the logic and sense to your actions, and a recognition that your actions were inappropriate. I am relatively sure that if you go into a disciplinary with this attitude, and attack anyone you don't agree with, then the outcome will be very bad for you. The fact that, in your mind, this woman was a criminal, is coloring your vision - that doesn't justify anything you did, and the policies are there for a reason. And she is not a "criminal" yet - don't assume that she is convicted yet, and just remember that by the time her lawyer spins this story, she may never be.

You need to calm down and step back - barging into a situation like a bull in a China shop is what got you into this situation in the first place. And toy are exhibiting exactly the same attitude here, simply attacking anyone who doesn't agree with you that your are entirely innocent of anything. You aren't entirely innocent. And no amount of name calling and alleging personal hatred towards you is going to make you entirely innocent. So you can either go in there "swinging," as you did in the first place, and risk that this is the step that gets you dismissed; or you can try to ameliorate the situation by acknowledging that perhaps, in hindsight, you should have managed this better, and you regret that you did not.

Hi

I am pretty calm and am not using red to highlight faults, and I please tell me who I have attacked.? I have just responded to some of the unnecessary/sarcastic comments that someone posted previously

Ok I didnt intentionally leave her bag (carrier bag with food in it) she had her handbag with her and I would not of attempted to do that.

And again your loose comments on a bull in a china ship are unwarranted as I had attempted to reason with the woman previous. She told me to go away (words to that effect) so I explained that I need her details, she continued this approach so i knew it was not going to go anywhere, hence why I thought the easiest thing to do would be to get off (before the police get involved,

Nothing malicious, again maybe yes this is not the correct approach and I understand that it is however what I did.

The Lawer SPINING this when she assaulted me will not wash either as the whole incident is on CCTV an there is NO justification for assault , I am not bothered as Im am sure she will be prosecuted for this as the police have arrested her interviewed her and me.

Your reply above to me seems hostile.(using red text to highlight my quotes them commenting inaccurately, in my opinion, on what you think. I am not looking for sympathy, just constructive comments.

I admit the bag was a mistake, however it was not intentional to leave it there.

Rosemary7391

attilla.the.hun wrote: »

Absolutely I understand what you are saying, I did state that I was helping her with he bags as I said " come on I will help you get a ticket" then got off

It was not a malicious intention it was in essence doing her a favour as I would of helped her buy a ticket from the machine at the station, I have got off before with passengers and helped them buy tickets as normally they are pleased they are not being reported.

I'm sure it wasn't malicious, but that's not the point. Neither is the fact that others have appreciated that action in the past. The point is that it wasn't the proper procedure, and in this case it went badly wrong. Again, I'd be surprised if the proper procedure was to get off the train with non paying passengers to help them buy a ticket - presumably leaving the train without a ticket inspector at all, or delaying it to wait for you? I doubt mentioning that will help your case! (Why not just sell them a ticket yourself on the train - I've never seen a ticket inspector without a ticket machine?)

attilla.the.hun

Rosemary7391 wrote: »

I'm sure it wasn't malicious, but that's not the point. Neither is the fact that others have appreciated that action in the past. The point is that it wasn't the proper procedure, and in this case it went badly wrong. Again, I'd be surprised if the proper procedure was to get off the train with non paying passengers to help them buy a ticket - presumably leaving the train without a ticket inspector at all, or delaying it to wait for you? I doubt mentioning that will help your case! (Why not just sell them a ticket yourself on the train - I've never seen a ticket inspector without a ticket machine?)

We dont stay on trains we get on and off at random stations. I had no change for selling a ticket and the machine had.

aife

Rosemary7391 wrote: »

I'm sure it wasn't malicious, but that's not the point. Neither is the fact that others have appreciated that action in the past. The point is that it wasn't the proper procedure, and in this case it went badly wrong. Again, I'd be surprised if the proper procedure was to get off the train with non paying passengers to help them buy a ticket - presumably leaving the train without a ticket inspector at all, or delaying it to wait for you? I doubt mentioning that will help your case! (Why not just sell them a ticket yourself on the train - I've never seen a ticket inspector without a ticket machine?)

Sounds to me like he works on the Tube and it's mostly Oyster cards , so you have to go to the machine at the entrance. And tubes don't have onboard inspectors , they make random checks.
He might have been wrong to put her stuff on the platform but she shoud have got off and retrieved it
Atilla - I think the reason for the red text is simply to differentiate Sangie's comments from yours

stuart30

Attiila...You walk into a supermarket,security gaurd grabs your bag after a discussion and puts them outside the store.

He then Grabs you as he feels you might chin him..now think how you would feel.

Wouldn't you expect the security guard to be suspend whilst investigated and most likely fired.

What you should have done is tried to take her details and once assaulted phone the police on 999 and create as much distance between you and the woman.

Im assuming your a man and she is a woman..man grabs woman...dont look good does it.

attilla.the.hun

stuart30 wrote: »

Attiila...You walk into a supermarket,security gaurd grabs your bag after a discussion and puts them outside the store.

He then Grabs you as he feels you might chin him..now think how you would feel.

Wouldn't you expect the security guard to be suspend whilst investigated and most likely fired.

What you should have done is tried to take her details and once assaulted phone the police on 999 and create as much distance between you and the woman.

Im assuming your a man and she is a woman..man grabs woman...dont look good does it.

I understand this, but i was hit first without warning. The woman in question is transsexual , I didn't try and hurt her just stop her from hitting me further. Where I stepped back was about 3 seconds I then held on to her, is this really the wrong thing? I thought it was proportionate as I honestly believed the assault would continue.

I did get distance once I thought I was in a safer position, when the passenger got on and helped. and I called 999 but she followed me and tried to assault me again.

FBaby

All that the company needs to consider is whether you adhered or failed to adhere to their policies in regards to handling passengers refusing to pay their fees. The assault that resulted from your actions is a separate issue and one that is indeed being dealt by the police.

It sounds like you grossly infringed the rules you were expected to follow when she said she wouldn't pay. That even more if she had a valid reason (even if it didn't seem to be so at the time) for not wanting to pay for your ticket. You decided to take belongings of hers away from her, and by doing so, risking these to be lost. How do you know that her coat didn't have sentimental value to her? Or worse, that she only borrowed it and it belong to someone else?

The fact is that your decision to take this from her was totally inappropriate in this circumstances and I can't imagine that it wasn't clearly a breach to the company policy. This became gross misconduct when it lead to the significant outcome.

I am sorry that you ended up assaulted. I despise the fact that anyone would see it acceptable to assault any staff member and this women deserves serious consequences. However, your actions were not those expected of your role and this is why you have been suspended.

sangie595

My profuse apologies. I missed the bit that said your weren't asking for advice, and had included a list of the things we were to say to you.

• You did absolutely nothing wrong
• This is all a management conspiracy to get you out
• It's appalling how these criminals think they have rights
• Your employers policies should be changed to say that anything goes as long as there is a really good excuse for it

There now. Feel better?

That is all, of course, a load of b****cks. But it's what you want to hear.
I'm out.

attilla.the.hun

FBaby wrote: »

All that the company needs to consider is whether you adhered or failed to adhere to their policies in regards to handling passengers refusing to pay their fees. The assault that resulted from your actions is a separate issue and one that is indeed being dealt by the police.

It sounds like you grossly infringed the rules you were expected to follow when she said she wouldn't pay. That even more if she had a valid reason (even if it didn't seem to be so at the time) for not wanting to pay for your ticket. You decided to take belongings of hers away from her, and by doing so, risking these to be lost. How do you know that her coat didn't have sentimental value to her? Or worse, that she only borrowed it and it belong to someone else?

The fact is that your decision to take this from her was totally inappropriate in this circumstances and I can't imagine that it wasn't clearly a breach to the company policy. This became gross misconduct when it lead to the significant outcome.

I am sorry that you ended up assaulted. I despise the fact that anyone would see it acceptable to assault any staff member and this women deserves serious consequences. However, your actions were not those expected of your role and this is why you have been suspended.

As I thought,

however, is there anything I can do or say further to save my job? there have been other staff in similar circumstances but have had a written warning. I fear that will not be the decision of the manager holding the hearing