The Great British Brexit Robbery....

yertiz_2

I came across this article on Google News at the weekend. It's quite a long read, interesting and worrying if it's all true? Comments anyone?

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/07/the-great-british-brexit-robbery-hijacked-democracy

Thrugelmir

I voted on the basis of how I felt. The impact on the locality I live in, my family, pressure on services etc, culture. I wasn't swayed or influenced.

Gina Miller is the mirror reverse. Money rules. Not the people.

Fella

Here's mine. It's a load of codswallop from the ever desperate Remain camp at the Guardian.

The propaganda against Brexit far far outnumbered any in favour of it. And we still voted Leave. May has chosen to support Brexit & is hugely more popular than Corbyn because of it. Those two facts tell you all you need to know about the populations thoughts on Brexit. We want to leave.

The fact that the EU is acting like a recently jilted stalky ex-boyfriend just reaffirms that mindset.

Thrugelmir

Fella wrote: »

Here's mine. It's a load of codswallop from the ever desperate Remain camp at the Guardian.

Lobbying has been part and parcel of US culture for a very long time. Those presidential campaigns don't come cheap. Without doubt there's favours granted ultimately.

stator

Thrugelmir wrote: »

I wasn't swayed or influenced.

That's what everyone thinks about advertising. Yet companies and parties still spend billions of pounds on it. Because it does work.

System

stator wrote: »

Yet companies and parties still spend billions of pounds on it. Because it does work.

It's more the case that not doing it doesn't work.

Advertisers have to run fast simply to keep in the public eye, and their brand in everybody's mind. Anyone that doesn't keep up gets left behind. If you want to stay in the market at all you have to advertise. It's like paddling against a strong current.

bugslet

stator wrote: »

That's what everyone thinks about advertising. Yet companies and parties still spend billions of pounds on it. Because it does work.

I agree more or less, but in the context of Brexit, one of multiple reasons I ended up voting leave, was that my industry has been decimated by being in the EU and the future plans would see even more erosion in the domestic market.

There was no advertising for that and I think what finally tipped me over ( I was very much in the middle for a period of time), was the whole Project Fear and then Obama..... I'm one of those people that doesn't like being threatened/bullied.

Given that I don't have a television, listen to the BBC and read the Times, which was said to be the most impartial of papers, I cut my exposure to advertising as much as I reasonably could.

Conrad

yertiz wrote: »

I came across this article on Google News at the weekend. It's quite a long read, interesting and worrying if it's all true? Comments anyone?

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/07/the-great-british-brexit-robbery-hijacked-democracy

Let's see.

On Remains side we had the entire Establishment, the big Banks, Obama, the BOE, the Treasury and the Govt of the day along with Cameron's global chumocracy all telling us how to vote. Sky, BBC and CHN4 News all very biased to Remain. Educational world telling Students Remain was the only choice.

We all got a Govt Remain leaflet through the door.

On Leaves side we had a merry band of disparate politicians and about three really committed newspapers (Telegraph only came out for Leave in final days)

StevieJ

Conrad wrote: »

Let's see.

On Remains side we had the entire Establishment, the big Banks, Obama, the BOE, the Treasury and the Govt of the day along with Cameron's global chumocracy all telling us how to vote. Sky, BBC and CHN4 News all very biased to Remain. Educational world telling Students Remain was the only choice.

We all got a Govt Remain leaflet through the door.

On Leaves side we had a merry band of disparate politicians and about three really committed newspapers (Telegraph only came out for Leave in final days)

You believe that if you want, who needs friends/supporters like May, Cameron and Corbyn. Only three newspapers :-) They wouldn't happen to be the top circulation ones would they? Telegraph, last moment :-)

Out,_Vile_Jelly

The referendum wasn't won by techie "hijacking" (that is a serious word to use); it was lost by the Remain campaign completely failing to sell the benefits of the EU (whilst acknowledging the flaws); and the dismissive and unyielding attitude of the EU overlords when Cameron tried to obtain some reasonable changes.

Arklight

Leave won because a bunch of xenophobic older people came out en masse and voted 70/30 in favour of leaving, people in their 30's and 40's cancelled each other out with an even split and young people who should have tipped the balance well in favour of Remain didn't bother to vote at all, for a change.


Having spoken to Leave voters it's hard to believe any amount of propaganda would have swayed their vote. Their minds were made up and then sealed shut some time in the early 80's and no amount of appeals to reason in the 40 years hence would have opened them.


Once can only hope the mass voter registrations of young people I've seen reported actually transpire into them bothering to go to the polling station on election day, or they are going to be left angry and voiceless again.