Manager lying in order to Dismiss me

motorguy

I think reading through it all, your manager has taken exception to the fact that you have a criminal record for X and are working for him and hes basically doing whatever he can to get rid of you.

You may well be "in the right" however as you've worked there for less than two years they can do what they like - if its not this it will be something else.

The letter is a good idea, however i think - hopefully wrongly - it will fall on deaf ears.

Paton147

Yea it's a mess. I'm so angry at myself for not staying where I was. I have family that work for the NHS and local authorities and they said this would never happen there.

If I lose the job which I accept it 95% likely, I'll have no option but to completely omit them from future CVs and applications which could cause problems if found out in the future if that gets noticed.

My wife and I were hoping to have another baby but that's on hold now too. It was quite stressful having her be on maternity leave last year while I did agency work. A lot of pressure.:o

Paton147

I thought about distance learning to get a different qualification but it's quite expensive and could take a couple of year.

Kayalana99

I don't really understand why getting outside help is a bad thing, the way I see it is the OP is stuck between a rock and a very hard place.

If the company are pro 'ex-convicts' and they are seen to be dismissing one for this very reason, do you think share holders would be happy if this got in the papers etc and got bad press?

If you think HR will help you and may see your side, I would 100% go to them directly and explain the situation and ask their opinion. Take the letters in with you and sit and have a chat.

Your manager may hate you, but you may still end up with a job. It could backfire and HR may side with the manager - but then to me it sounds like you lose either way as they seem hell bent on sacking you.

P.S for anyone who is saying 'why would the manager lie', as someone else said - to protect their own skin and by the looks of it they are genuniely worried about their own repuation.

sangie595

Kayalana99 wrote: »

I don't really understand why getting outside help is a bad thing, the way I see it is the OP is stuck between a rock and a very hard place. Because, as has already been explained, this is bringing the company into disrepute, which is deemed a dismissable offence in itself. Getting appropriate outside help is going to your union - it is not going to a charity which the company happen to have dealings with, regardless of what those dealings are.

If the company are pro 'ex-convicts' and they are seen to be dismissing one for this very reason, do you think share holders would be happy if this got in the papers etc and got bad press? Well, for a start off they are not dismissing him for being an ex-offender. They are investigating him, which may lead to a disciplinary for allegedly lying in his application. That is an entirely different thing. In any case, the shareholders won't give a damn, and most of them would probably be more than happy to not employ ex-offenders. And the papers won't likely care a lot either. Ex-offenders are discriminated against on a daily basis - how many headlines about this have you seen???

If you think HR will help you and may see your side, I would 100% go to them directly and explain the situation and ask their opinion. Take the letters in with you and sit and have a chat.

Your manager may hate you, but you may still end up with a job. It could backfire and HR may side with the manager - but then to me it sounds like you lose either way as they seem hell bent on sacking you.

P.S for anyone who is saying 'why would the manager lie', as someone else said - to protect their own skin and by the looks of it they are genuniely worried about their own repuation.

If you genuinely think that involving third party organisations and the papers will endear someone to their employer, you need to rethink your view of the way the world works. IF, and it is a huge IF the OP saved their job now, they would be gone in another month for an entirely different reason, with no interest from anyone. You do not drag your companies reputation through the mud - whether or not they deserve it - and get to keep your job. And with a reputation for doing something like that, you probably won't get another job any time soon either.

Kayalana99

sangie595 wrote: »

If you genuinely think that involving third party organisations and the papers will endear someone to their employer, you need to rethink your view of the way the world works. IF, and it is a huge IF the OP saved their job now, they would be gone in another month for an entirely different reason, with no interest from anyone. You do not drag your companies reputation through the mud - whether or not they deserve it - and get to keep your job. And with a reputation for doing something like that, you probably won't get another job any time soon either.

No not right now, the HR is the best move and a charity can advise on the best course of action. He doesn't have to get them involved by getting them to call the employer itself.

The press/newspaper I'm not sure would print the story anyway due to slander but *if* he gets sacked for this unfair reason, it's still a possibilty (along with general bad mouthing in the industry about the company/word of mouth) that it could happen which the company would want to avoid.

motorguy

Paton147 wrote: »

Yea it's a mess. I'm so angry at myself for not staying where I was. I have family that work for the NHS and local authorities and they said this would never happen there.

If I lose the job which I accept it 95% likely, I'll have no option but to completely omit them from future CVs and applications which could cause problems if found out in the future if that gets noticed.

My wife and I were hoping to have another baby but that's on hold now too. It was quite stressful having her be on maternity leave last year while I did agency work. A lot of pressure.:o

Was having a think - surely if they're trying to say you lied about why you left your previous job, their notes would have to show that they not only asked you the question - which technically they could fluff, but that they asked EVERY candidate they interviewed - ie, it would have to be part of their interview question set?

motorguy

Paton147 wrote: »

I thought about distance learning to get a different qualification but it's quite expensive and could take a couple of year.

How close are you to the end of the disclosure period?

What about temp work through an agency? They can be more "relaxed" about stuff like this and as you're not a direct employee of the company they're temping you out to, there may be less issues there too.

Paton147

motorguy wrote: »

Was having a think - surely if they're trying to say you lied about why you left your previous job, their notes would have to show that they not only asked you the question - which technically they could fluff, but that they asked EVERY candidate they interviewed - ie, it would have to be part of their interview question set?

I've got the investigatory hearing tomorrow. You would think they would bring along interview notes.... and you know me, I expect to see a cheeky additional note jotted down in fresh biro!!

They simply opened the interview with a standard "Tell us a bit about yourself, the work youve been involved in and why you applied for the job"... which was incredibly easy to answer without saying I was dismissed at a point in my career.

Within the company I worked for 10 years, I moved around difference specialisations. This new job represented an aspect of the profession that I had done in the early years of that stint, so it wasnt like I was dismissed from the role I discussed predominately throughout the competency based interview. My CV and cover letter made it clear I was no longer in that profession, I opened the cover letter with "I am interested in this vacancy as it represents an area of my career I would like to revisit".

sangie595

Well I'm not hopeful, but I do wish you the best at the hearing. It may not sound much like it, but I do support the employment of ex offenders. One of my very close friends is a former lifer, so I'm not easily fazed by a bit of offending! And I do get why people hide the truth, or even lie about it. Who wouldn't when employers act like this? But the world is what it is.

Please do tell us what happens...