UKCPM being shamed on ITV

mistercesq

Coupon-mad wrote: »

I just edited to add - why not simply put up polite signs (it does work).

Do you not think we tried every option available over a period of 30 years before getting a car parking company involved?

Coupon-mad

No site needs a private parking firm. Do you still use one?

mistercesq

Coupon-mad wrote: »

No site needs a private parking firm. Do you still use one?

No there is no management and its chaos.

Coupon-mad

OK, and believe me I am not judging you, I read that blog before, when Pranky first posted it, and am on your side completely.

What do you mean it is chaos, do you only have a few spaces and are people using it to commute? Trying to understand why you are suffering when other sites don't.

mistercesq

Coupon-mad wrote: »

No site needs a private parking firm. Do you still use one?

I must add I have fought for these affected people for 2 years and today I got all their PCN's cancelled.....

I have come to contribute in a positive manner as a landowner to illustrate it is not just the motorists who are affected.

Perhaps my contributions can be viewed as this.

mistercesq

Coupon-mad wrote: »

OK, and believe me I am not judging you, I read that blog before, when Pranky first posted it, and am on your side completely.

What do you mean it is chaos, do you only have a few spaces and are people using it to commute? Trying to understand why you are suffering when other sites don't.

Its a 50 space town centre car park..... that has always been free and has never been used for generating income. It is solely meant to be so our 13 tenants can have parking when customers visit their premises.

Coupon-mad

OK, and I stress I am not against you, I admire what you've done but am trying to identify why this car park is chaos and what can be done about it.

Are you close to the railway station so people dump their cars?

Is there a way of turning these rogue parkers into customers?

Were some signs tried (polite and simple ones, no threats) before a PPC rocked up with their cheap cardboard signs and tape - and threats?

Redx

when I read that blog I am on your side too, believe me

you would have thought that some of those parking companies would do a proper job , follow the laws and rules, follow the CoP they signed up to and have the decency to do as a landholder expects

yet they all follow the entrapment / extortion / intimidation route , its easier to slap charges on anyone who breaks any one of 50 different rules or make basic mistakes and suchlike

its a shame there isnt some way of ensuring that genuine customers or residents never get penalised whilst issuing reasonable "fines" on those who are not genuine or flaunt the "rules"

I dont know of any parking company that could fulfil your requirements , because they are all unscrupulous and greedy

but we do agree with your point of view and I for one commend you on fighting back as a landholder , which is a rarity at the moment

Umkomaas

but we do agree with your point of view and I for one commend you on fighting back as a landholder , which is a rarity at the moment

Which could all easily change if DPA breach claims start to flow and landowners are joined in the proceedings on a 'joint and severally liable' ticket, with a PPI-style mis-selling tsunami following in its footsteps.

mistercesq

Coupon-mad wrote: »

OK, and I stress I am not against you, I admire what you've done but am trying to identify why this car park is chaos and what can be done about it.

Are you close to the railway station so people dump their cars?

Is there a way of turning these rogue parkers into customers?

Were some signs tried (polite and simple ones, no threats) before a PPC rocked up with their cheap cardboard signs and tape - and threats?

We will never put parking enforcement in place again. It is better that we have rogue parkers than dealing with rogue parking companies!

Redx wrote: »

when I read that blog I am on your side too, believe me

you would have thought that some of those parking companies would do a proper job , follow the laws and rules, follow the CoP they signed up to and have the decency to do as a landholder expects

yet they all follow the antrapment / extortion / intimidation route , its easier to slap charges on anyone who breaks any one of 50 different rules or make basic mistakes and suchlike

its a shame there isnt some way of ensuring that genuine customers never get penalised whilst issuing reasonable "fines" on those who are not genuine

I dont know of any parking company that could fulfil your requirements , because they are all unscrupulous and greedy

but we do agree with your point of view and I for one commend you on fighting back as a landholder , which is a rarity at the moment

Thanks, sadly the objectives of land owners and car parking companies are completely different and for this reason the current system will never work fairly for everyone. Interestingly a lot of big companies are beginning to ditch the ANPR systems as they generate too much work and too many issues! If the system had worked as promised and CPM had managed the car park in an ethical and professional manner then I'm sure it would have worked.