Indicating right when going straight on

Mercdriver

Strider590 wrote: »

You shouldn't indicate to go anything less than 12 oclock, I get properly sick of people on two lane roundabouts (yes a bit different), indicating right to go straight on, the number of times i've had to slam on the anchors for these idiots is just crazy, you just don't know if they're going to cut you up.

You shouldn't have to slam your anchors on if you are leaving a reasonable gap between you and the car in front, and at the same time being prepared for the actions of the other idiots on the roundabout who care more about making their turn than reaching their destination without incident.

Strider590

Mercdriver wrote: »

You shouldn't have to slam your anchors on if you are leaving a reasonable gap between you and the car in front, and at the same time being prepared for the actions of the other idiots on the roundabout who care more about making their turn than reaching their destination without incident.

You haven't read my post, it's nothing to do with cars in front or behind, it's about a car on my LH side indicating right as though they're going to turn into me.

Retrogamer

If the junction i'm taking is after 12 o'clock then i indicate right otherwise i don't.
I always indicate when taking my exit though.

Strider590

Retrogamer wrote: »

If the junction i'm taking is after 12 o'clock then i indicate right otherwise i don't.
I always indicate when taking my exit though.

But if the exit is past 12 oclock you'd be in the RH lane (in most normal cases).

Retrogamer

Strider590 wrote: »

But if the exit is past 12 oclock you'd be in the RH lane (in most normal cases).

Indeed. I intake right to let people know i'm going past 12 o clock, whilst in the RH lane, then the moment i pass the exit before the one i want, i indicate left.
Hopefully makes it easier for people to predict what i'm doing.

NBLondon

I can think of one case where local custom makes this sensible. Stick 51.472652, 0.009613 https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/51%C2%B028'21.6%22N+0%C2%B000'34.6%22E/@51.4726553,0.0074189,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d51.472652!4d0.009613 into Google Maps and look north. Of a morning rush hour - the majority of traffic is coming into London - west to east on the A2 i.e. right to left as you look at the roundabout. The tailback often goes across the roundabout in front of you. If you approach in the left lane to go straight ahead (north towards Greenwich) with no indicator - the main flow of traffic assumes you want to turn left and you will be waiting for 15 minutes or more. If you approach in the right lane with right indicator on, the main flow assumes you want to head east towards Woolwich and if they can't exit the roundabout, they will stop short to allow you to cross in front of them. You then need to switch to left promptly as you cross the roundabout and exit carefully as the eastbound traffic may assume the roundabout is gridlovcked and not look on your direction.

There is actually a Keep Clear sign on the roundabout tarmac in front of the left lane - which is supposed to stop the traffic earlier and allow you to correctly head north from the left lane. But this is a) worn and b) usually ignored. I suspect that if anyone headed west did abide by it, the gap would be filled quickly be a left-turner anayway...

deaston

Strider590 wrote: »

You shouldn't indicate to go anything less than 12 oclock

I would disagree. You should indicate left if leaving the roundabout at '9 o'clock'.

Manxman_in_exile

I find these analogies about clock faces unnecessarily confusing.


There are plenty of roundabouts round here where the first exit may be at 8 o'clock, the second at 10 o'clock and the third at 12 o'clock. If I'm taking the first exit I indicate left; if the second exit I don't indicate until I've passed the first exit; if I'm taking the third exit I indicate right and then left to exit when I'm past the second exit, even though in clock face terms I am going "straight on". To me this makes sense because anybody waiting to enter the roundabout at the first and second exits knows whether I'm staying on the roundabout or turning off before I reach them.


Another poster on a previous thread suggested this approach wasn't exactly endorsed by the Highway code, but they did concede it was logical and that if everyone adopted it there might be less "trouble" at roundabouts.


(PS - my pet hates round here, when waiting to enter a roundabout, are people who don't indicate left when taking the first exit and those other idiots going right round without indicating right).

unholyangel

Manxman_in_exile wrote: »

I find these analogies about clock faces unnecessarily confusing.


There are plenty of roundabouts round here where the first exit may be at 8 o'clock, the second at 10 o'clock and the third at 12 o'clock. If I'm taking the first exit I indicate left; if the second exit I don't indicate until I've passed the first exit; if I'm taking the third exit I indicate right and then left to exit when I'm past the second exit, even though in clock face terms I am going "straight on". To me this makes sense because anybody waiting to enter the roundabout at the first and second exits knows whether I'm staying on the roundabout or turning off before I reach them.


Another poster on a previous thread suggested this approach wasn't exactly endorsed by the Highway code, but they did concede it was logical and that if everyone adopted it there might be less "trouble" at roundabouts.


(PS - my pet hates round here, when waiting to enter a roundabout, are people who don't indicate left when taking the first exit and those other idiots going right round without indicating right).

The same could be said for the highway code itself - that there would be less trouble on the roads if everyone adopted it. Unfortunately, as the highway code as proven, some people just don't give a fig and prefer to make up their own rules once they obtain their license (or some without even doing that!).

almillar

that we are next to each other

Defensive driving - try not to go round a roundabout beside another car (speed up or slow down), really try not to be beside an HGV!

OP couldn't do much more for the other driver except stay as far right as possible in his lane, and on the roundabout - let your road position and your car's 'body language' communicate when you've no indicators.

I'm told that there's an older generation of drivers that was taught 'indicate right if you're staying on the roundabout' and it sounds like this lorry driver expected that of the OP. That system could work if everyone knew that everyone did it!

deaston:

You shouldn't indicate to go anything less than 12 oclock

I would disagree. You should indicate left if leaving the roundabout at '9 o'clock'.

Strider's right - you enter at 6 o'clock on the clock face. And you go clockwise round a roundabout in this country. So 'less than 12' is anywhere between 6 and 12. And 1 - 6 is 'beyond' 12.

I find these analogies about clock faces unnecessarily confusing.

Unless you've got a better analogy, you've got a lot of roads and roundabouts to rebuild! 2nd, 3rd exit, right, left straight on, all have their flaws, and clockface is about the most accurate guideline you can have. But the caveat is that you need to treat each roundabout uniquely, they can't be pinned down to one rule for all.