the snap general election thread

sevenhills

CKhalvashi wrote: »

however think the Green co-leaders (even though I won't be voting for them and get fully that they don't have a chance) are the strongest candidates for leadership we have.

I like them both too, but not the one that is Australian

posh*spice

Arklight wrote: »

Negative equity.

You are also going to have to accept a valuation on your property that may not bear much relation to what it eventually sells for.

If house prices fall 10% in nominal terms over 15 years of compound interest the £100k buffer will be wiped out even sooner. This is possibly quite likely considering pensioners are going to be dumping their larger properties as fast as they can to try and downsize and liberate their equity before the government can snatch it.

I wonder if house prices go up or down if they're next to a fracking site?

The fact that old people will be incentivised to sell their houses instead of rotting in them to save money for their kids will be great - it will release much needed family homes back into the market and probably give old people a better quality of life. A big plus.

posh*spice

Moby wrote: »

What makes me laugh if this was a labour policy.....imagine the uproar! There are going to be lots of private care companies rubbing their hands with glee. The same companies that employ their staff on zero hour contracts!

Labour would never come up with such a policy as they don't believe in people taking personal responsibilty - which is why we are a nation of unhealthy obese !!!!!!!!!!s (that word is free loaders - mse what are you like?)

posh*spice

michaels wrote: »

Is that the same uk where the tax take as a proportion of gdp is at an all time record high but still not nearly enough to cover govt expenditure?

And this despite large parts of the economy that are part of public spending in other countries such as water supply being excluded from public expenditure here?

And much of Europe are running massive budget deficits, have extremely high public debt piles and very high levels of unemployment.

ThinkingOutLoud_2

At least with the emergence of all manifestos we are finally, sometimes, debating a something other than who can insult Corbyn or May the most.

Don't get me wrong the capabilities of a PM are almost paramount. But, a little focus on their actual policies should enter the debate and now has.

posh*spice

ThinkingOutLoud wrote: »

At least with the emergence of all manifestos we are finally, sometimes, debating a something other than who can insult Corbyn or May the most.

Don't get me wrong the capabilities of a PM are almost paramount. But, a little focus on their actual policies should enter the debate and now has.

Most people will be voting holding their nose whoever they vote for

gfplux

londonlydia wrote: »

Just got back from my first ever leafletting session. I walked around a sheltered elderly estate... Believe me they are not happy with the Tory plans!

But will they go out and vote? If so will it be Tory?

gfplux

Arklight wrote: »

Why does the Right continually conflate offering decent public services with "promising everything"?

The UK is set to have the lowest public spending of any major economy, lower even than the United States.

Why can all of Europe have trains that run on time, enough police officers and ambulances to show up to a 999 call, higher education that isn't funded by clobbering people barely out of their teens with mortgage sizes levels of debt, and a decent, dignified health and care provision.

Why are the countries on our doorstep able to do that, have been doing that for years, and have no plans to stop, but 30 miles over the English Channel it's pie in the sky fantasy economics?

http://www.poverty.ac.uk/articles-government-cuts-international-comparisons-public-spending-whats-new/uk-heading-bottom-place

Living over that Channel I can tell you that all those things are correct.
However on another thread "where does all the money go" many posters saw no problems in Britain.

Things are not perfect but when it comes to public services and infrastructure Britain is behind.
However unemployment of the young is a huge problem and little is presently changing.
While political party's can rely on the Old voting and the young NOT Voting (in Britain as well) there is little incentive to focus on youth.

ThinkingOutLoud_2

Bot all those European dreams are truly dreamy or quite what they seem.

Not all in Europe is so rosy - eg if you want a job.

Many have more than double our rate of unemployment and take Spain with a whole generation of whom many have never worked.

http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/File:Unemployment_rates,_seasonally_adjusted,_March_2017_(%25)_F2.png

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For what it's worth:

I reckon that this election is rather unique because of Brexit. Hopefully the negotiations will go well for us and these other trade deals will materialise, but there is a possibility that we will be badly damaged and face a period of externally forced austerity before we can recover.

We hope, we will do our best, but we don't know what the future will bring.

So when I look at who I should vote for I try to look ahead to the Government set up which will be best placed to deal with the different scenarios we might face.

So I believe we should not vote this time on party lines but on who can best do the job of government for the next 5 years

So there is the much touted claim that May & co would be better negotiating the Brexit deal than Corbyn and the potential collection of parties which might make "progressive" Government.

Well I do believe that May wins on that one.

On the matter of domestic policies, I would be much happier with a Government that is unencumbered by potentially expensive manifesto promises and is free to act quickly and flexibly depending on the situation we find ourselves in.

Well on that score again. I think the government with the best chance there would be one led by the conservatives because they have the more flexible approach but also they are the (much) more likely to be able to take decisions. A Labour government relying on support from niche-policy smaller parties would find it very difficult to make headway. Sorry to bring this up but we should remember one of those parties will probably be a substantial SNP party whose aim is to make Brexit fail for their own separatist reasons. As far as policy goes, I am horrified at the idea of a myopic spending spree at this time when we don't know what lies ahead.

On the matter of "May can do what she wants". I agree that is a powerful worry but I have say it is a manufactured worry owing more to tribal imagination than fact . All Governments with a reasonably strong majority can bhlldoze things through Parliament. But I think it is important that our next Government is free to act, not embroiled in domestic squabbles at this time

To sum up, I think people should really vote for the Government which they think is best equipped to deal with the next 5 years. The Tories, if they win, will be judged not just on Brexit but also on their use of this trust in respecting the non-tory leanings of the people that vote for them at this difficult time.