the snap general election thread

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kabayiri

.string. wrote: »

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Amongst the dearth that makes up QT last night, there was a moment of honesty from Vince Cable.

He explains why the LibDems had to drop free tuition back in the coallition of 2010.

- The maths did not work, and they could simply not afford 40% attending uni-level education.

He said Brown and Blair had intended free high ed for the masses during their time in office, but they too had to drop this commitment.

"Can't afford" in this context means Uni's were in danger of going bust.

What does this say about the modern political obsession of promising everything?

If we want better politics, we need to call out the sloganeering; the clearly overambitious promises; and the selective use of stats.

Arklight

noddynoo wrote: »

Negative equity.

You are also going to have to accept a valuation on your property that may not bear much relation to what it eventually sells for.

If house prices fall 10% in nominal terms over 15 years of compound interest the £100k buffer will be wiped out even sooner. This is possibly quite likely considering pensioners are going to be dumping their larger properties as fast as they can to try and downsize and liberate their equity before the government can snatch it.

I wonder if house prices go up or down if they're next to a fracking site?

CKhalvashi

setmefree2 wrote: »

"Shy Tory" syndrome .....also quickest way to get rid of someone is to tell them what they want to hear....

If the Tories decide to knock on my door this time round, they'll be told exactly what they don't want to hear.

In fairness, we have a very good Conservative MP, just at this precise moment in time I'd love to see him removed from his seat for a term.

He's never failed to respond to casework, any any contact I've had with him has been quickly responded to and well researched, which is exactly what every MP should be doing, however.

The stupid thing is (and this is where my disagreement lies) that I may have voted for him, being a vote not for the Conservatives, but for him personally due to the above, however I'm being told by Theresa May that a vote for him is a vote for a Conservative Brexit government, and I won't be told what my vote means, especially when it bears no relation to the facts.

I have 2 options; vote for a party that represents me nationally, or do a deal with the devil. Which do you think I'm choosing?

Arklight

kabayiri wrote: »

Amongst the dearth that makes up QT last night, there was a moment of honesty from Vince Cable.

He explains why the LibDems had to drop free tuition back in the coallition of 2010.

- The maths did not work, and they could simply not afford 40% attending uni-level education.

He said Brown and Blair had intended free high ed for the masses during their time in office, but they too had to drop this commitment.

"Can't afford" in this context means Uni's were in danger of going bust.

What does this say about the modern political obsession of promising everything?

If we want better politics, we need to call out the sloganeering; the clearly overambitious promises; and the selective use of stats.

Why does the Right continually conflate offering decent public services with "promising everything"?

The UK is set to have the lowest public spending of any major economy, lower even than the United States.

Why can all of Europe have trains that run on time, enough police officers and ambulances to show up to a 999 call, higher education that isn't funded by clobbering people barely out of their teens with mortgage sizes levels of debt, and a decent, dignified health and care provision.

Why are the countries on our doorstep able to do that, have been doing that for years, and have no plans to stop, but 30 miles over the English Channel it's pie in the sky fantasy economics?

http://www.poverty.ac.uk/articles-government-cuts-international-comparisons-public-spending-whats-new/uk-heading-bottom-place

Mortgagefreeman

CKhalvashi wrote: »

I have 2 options; vote for a party that represents me nationally, or do a deal with the devil. Which do you think I'm choosing?

confused.com

Fella

We appear to be witnessing the same phenomenon we did before the 2015 election, the EU referendum and most recently the US election. Social Media is on fire with left-wing sentiment & anybody would think Labour were a certainty & the Tories universally hated. That appears to have given fresh impetus to some of the self-confessed activists on here who believe the pendulum is swinging their way.

Perhaps it is but the odds have not moved an inch & Labour are still easily backable at 20/1 as I type.

It's slightly ironic that supposedly freshly converted Labour supporters are claiming it was the Tory manifesto that changed their view. May's manifesto (a dismal effort in my opinion) is actually more left-wing than Corbyn's in certain respects. The main difference is that whilst May has released a manifesto where the sums add up, Corbyn's effort is one of the worst set of lies I've ever seen foisted on an electorate. It is literally, "everything will be free, everything will be cheaper, everybody's working conditions will improve, and nobody will suffer the slightest inconvenience apart from a few foxhunting millionaires, Skynet, and that company that made Robocop".

The people who support Corbyn really ought to take just a few minutes, even if in private, and reflect on the fact that he's lying through his teeth because he cares about you even less than the Tories do (& they don't care about you much) and he is perfectly happy to risk destroying your party completely in order to massage his own ego. If after that you're still happy to back him, that's your perogative. Maybe he'll win. But if he does get you wiped out, please please PLEASE remember that it was him, with your own full support, that did it, that was responsible for it, and that must live with the consequences of it.

A_Pict_In_A_Past_Life

Mortgagefreeman wrote: »

confused.com

Indeed.
Relevant to much of the thread from what I see.
The resident (?) non-Brit Brit has at last found a thread where he gets the answers he wants too.
Now, is there a way on this wonderweb thingy to lock a thread and throw away the key?

System

Is it just me that agrees and disagrees with bits of both labour and conservative? I dont understand how people become so polar about this stuff. If everyone left ill founded loyalty behind maybe democracy would work?