the snap general election thread

kabayiri

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

It is a terrifying thought. I only hope that people in general are not the idiots he takes them for.

It would be the unions running the UK, that thought alone should put anyone off voting for him.

Yep. He would have some significant expectations to meet. The unions don't support the Labour party for nothing.

Along with this, it's unlikely he would have a strong majority. Labour is weak in Scotland, and the recent results in Wales are not promising.

He clearly has divisive elements within his own party; he would have a marginal majority at best; at worst he would be doing some coallition deal with another party like the SNP.

This is numbers at play here. They just don't support the Labour side at the moment.

Conrad

Arklight wrote: »

Yes, according to the Daily Mail, Labour want to take us back to the 70s. A time when 50% of Mail readers bought a house on one salary, enjoyed a non contributory final salary pension scheme, went home on time, didn't have to wait weeks to see a doctor, had never heard of a zero hours contract and enjoyed free further and higher education.


I have no idea what time the Tories are trying to return us to. The 1920s presumably.

ZHC's took off under Labours employment regulations explosion, just as conservatives predicted.

Moneysaving consumers wont tolerate cost increases that result from overly zealous employment regulations, so they shop around for the cheapest ecosystem, and that will often be the one that keeps labour costs down by use of ZHC's etc. See this forum for evidence of how people shop around for low cost ecosystems.

The fact you guys think a Labour Govt will magic all this away is so laughable, consumers will always drive which costs are tolerable to them.

Arklight

Conrad wrote: »

ZHC's took off under Labours employment regulations explosion, just as conservatives predicted.

Moneysaving consumers wont tolerate cost increases that result from overly zealous employment regulations, so they shop around for the cheapest ecosystem, and that will often be the one that keeps labour costs down by use of ZHC's etc. See this forum for evidence of how people shop around for low cost ecosystems.

The fact you guys think a Labour Govt will magic all this away is so laughable, consumers will always drive which costs are tolerable to them.

Says the man sitting on property wealth obtained from an artificially manufactured housing crisis and credit bubble, who enjoys a bumper unfunded state pension, a juicy final salary monthly payout, as much healthcare as he feels he wants, a free bus pass, a free tv license, and a winter fuel handout - all at the expense of those feeling the pinch.


Everyone's a capitalist until they have their hand out. Labour just wants to level the playing field.

kabayiri

Arklight wrote: »

Says the man sitting on property wealth obtained from an artificially manufactured housing crisis and credit bubble, who enjoys a bumper unfunded state pension, a juicy final salary monthly payout, as much healthcare as he feels he wants, a free bus pass, a free tv license, and a winter fuel handout - all at the expense of those feeling the pinch.
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You really don't know much about Conrad do you? :rotfl:

mayonnaise

Conrad wrote: »

His populist pennies from heaven policies could tempt a lot of gullible people.

True.
It worked for the EU referendum, so why not now.

ThinkingOutLoud_2

Moby wrote: »

You can see from so many of the posts on this thread what a class ridden country we are. Politicians are denigrated for being common and thick, out of their depth etc. ...
One good thing about the States no one gives a toss where you come from or what you sound like, same in modern Germany!

You are right that some inappropriate criticism levelled is personal or appears targeted at people background. But, it is equally all to easy to say that is ALL that is being said or tar every critic with that brush.

I don't think it is madness or inconsistent with the USA or Germany that we the people should expect that you're country leadership will have above average IQ, an ability to communicate well and to know the basics of their strategy off by heart and not to be repeatedly flummoxed by a few questions.

That level of absurd ineptitude deserves criticism - a 2/10 as Trump would rate himself or on a school report level can do better!

Fella

Conrad wrote: »

Is anyone else slightly concerned Corbyn might pull-off a miracle win?

Everybody sensible. Not because it's likely, but because of the impact if he did.

An analogy: if you faced the likely prospect of a slap round the face with a kipper or the one in a thousand prospect of being shot. Most people would be more concerned at the prospect of being shot.

System

mayonnaise wrote: »

True.
It worked for the EU referendum, so why not now.

I know a fair few Brexit voters that are now spreading pro-Labour stuff all over social media.

It's the "it's not my fault I'm unsuccessful, who else can I blame?" crowd that follow that pattern. Labour's promise to go after the rich is making them dribble in their pants.

Plus anyone that's a teacher, nurse, or sub 30.

Social media needs a politics filter button.

Moby

ThinkingOutLoud wrote: »

You are right that some inappropriate criticism levelled is personal or appears targeted at people background. But, it is equally all to easy to say that is ALL that is being said or tar every critic with that brush.

I don't think it is madness or inconsistent with the USA or Germany that we the people should expect that you're country leadership will have above average IQ, an ability to communicate well and to know the basics of their strategy off by heart and not to be repeatedly flummoxed by a few questions.

That level of absurd ineptitude deserves criticism - a 2/10 as Trump would rate himself or on a school report level can do better!

We are class ridden though. Accent, clothes, shopping habits, where you live, what you watch, how much money you have, what school/university you went to, what part of the country you live in, what part of London you live in, what your parents did etc etc. It's worse here than anywhere else I've experienced ........apart from India!

antrobus

Moby wrote: »

You can see from so many of the posts on this thread what a class ridden country we are. Politicians are denigrated for being common and thick, out of their depth etc...

I would have thought that being "thick" or "out of their depth" was a perfectly valid criticism of a politician and has SFA to do with class. I see little difference between May and Corbyn as far as 'class' is concerned and, if anything, the former is more common than the latter.

Moby wrote: »

.. A working class accent is a sign of ignorance apparently. ..

Corbyn doesn't have a working class accent. Corbyn isn't working class. He went to a prep school. (If that matters to you.)

Moby wrote: »

...Perhaps they should know their place and let the elite get on with running the country. We have such a long way to go! One good thing about the States no one gives a toss where you come from or what you sound like, same in modern Germany! So Labour are taking us back to the seventies.....May seems rooted in the 50's!

That's because people like you keep making an issue of it. Slagging off the 'elite' (whoever they are) is just as much an example of class prejudice as is slagging off the 'common man'. (Or woman. Or whatever.:) )