the snap general election thread

BobQ

westernpromise wrote: »

Why should Ferrari be balanced? He doesn't receive public money. The BBC does and it isn't balanced.

I never said he should just that he has an agenda and was not balanced.

BobQ

Thrugelmir wrote: »

That's not the issue. She would be the next Home Secretary. A job that's hopelessly out of her depth.

The comment about her was

Having said that, this is the shadow education secretary & she appears to think "give it me, give it me" is something resembling decent spoken English so no real surprise that she is too thick to even understand the basics of her own department.

I would call that belittling someone's working class accent. I thought this country has moved on from judging people by their accents but evidently not. Or are you and WP suggesting that anyone from a working class community is incapable of being a Minister?

ffacoffipawb

westernpromise wrote: »

I actually keep misreading Labour's campaign slogan as "For the many, not the Jew". ..

Indeed

Don't be stupid, be a smartie
Come and join the Nazi party

Hopefully this party will die in 2017.

Moby

You can see from so many of the posts on this thread what a class ridden country we are. Politicians are denigrated for being common and thick, out of their depth etc. A working class accent is a sign of ignorance apparently. Perhaps they should know their place and let the elite get on with running the country. We have such a long way to go! One good thing about the States no one gives a toss where you come from or what you sound like, same in modern Germany! So Labour are taking us back to the seventies.....May seems rooted in the 50's!

Fella

BobQ wrote: »

As for how she speaks, Rayner is an ordinary person from a northern community who speaks like many ordinary people speak, who left school without any qualifications, worked as a carer and got elected to Parliament. I think we should not seek to belittle her for trying to make a difference to the people she represents.

I disagree very strongly with this. I'm not precious about perfect spoken English & I don't expect every MP to be Oscar Wilde, but this is the shadow EDUCATION secretary we are talking about. This is the woman Labour would appoint as Education secretary if they won the election. Whatever her upbringings if she wants that job she needs to at least demonstrate a modicum of education herself.

I would bet very heavily her upbringing was no more humble than mine, it's no excuse for being illiterate. She's illiterate because she is thick. Something she further demonstrated on that interview with her lack of understanding of the issues in her own department.

Nick Ferrari is certainly biased but Labour MPs know that before they go on his show & he's hardly an intellectual giant himself. If Nick Ferrari can show you up then you shouldn't be running for Government.

Enterprise_1701C

Moby wrote: »

You can see from so many of the posts on this thread what a class ridden country we are. Politicians are denigrated for being common and thick, out of their depth etc. A working class accent is a sign of ignorance apparently. Perhaps they should know their place and let the elite get on with running the country. We have such a long way to go! One good thing about the States no one gives a toss where you come from or what you sound like, same in modern Germany! So Labour are taking us back to the seventies.....May seems rooted in the 50's!

It's nothing to do with their accent, it is what they say.

As for Germany, there is a lot of prejudice between different areas. We barely dare mention if we want to go to Munich to our friends in Frankfurt. Maybe this is not a class thing, it is just a different way of doing things. Every country has divisions, often in different directions than ours, but if there was no divisions there would be no ambition, no aspiration.

If everyone is equal their would be no ambition, a bit like North Korea etc. They cannot aspire to be a leader, they cannot have ambition.

ThinkingOutLoud_2

I reckon it is not unreasonable for anyone destined to run a ministry to be able to retain and repeat at will say 10-20 key statement and facts about their aims. Without this - it is difficult to judge their ability to retain a manifesto goal beyond next week or to align anyone to deliver their objectives.

If the keystone of your strategy is reduce class sizes - you should be able to say that this would benefit around xx classes and the yyy children in them. And this will cost zz and be achieved by the following basic steps.

In short - do your homework!

michaels

Interesting blog on ukpollingreport basically saying that most people are completely oblivious to details like policies etc and vote base don 'mood music'. I think it is difficult for those who follow the news to understand we are in a small minority - hence the fake news thing catching out 'journalists' who live in their twitter bubble and don't understand that the majority simply aren't interested.

kabayiri

michaels wrote: »

Interesting blog on ukpollingreport basically saying that most people are completely oblivious to details like policies etc and vote base don 'mood music'. I think it is difficult for those who follow the news to understand we are in a small minority - hence the fake news thing catching out 'journalists' who live in their twitter bubble and don't understand that the majority simply aren't interested.

This is the headline in our local freebie paper :
"Mayor pledges to fix NHS and Homelessness"

This is the new mayor of Manchester (other Mayors are available for equally empty soundbites).

There is absolutely no way on earth he will fix either. It seems almost an arrogant stance to suggest that he can do something which others have not been able to.

Is it any surprise that we don't trust what the political classes say, when they probably don't believe what they write anyway.

I want modest measurable goals, and a few achievable but good ideas. I don't expect homelessness to be fixed, because it never will be.

antrobus

michaels wrote: »

Interesting blog on ukpollingreport basically saying that most people are completely oblivious to details like policies etc and vote base don 'mood music'. I think it is difficult for those who follow the news to understand we are in a small minority - hence the fake news thing catching out 'journalists' who live in their twitter bubble and don't understand that the majority simply aren't interested.

Yes, Anthony Wells is simply repeating what has been well known for a number of years.

There is confirmation from a ComRes poll for The Mirror. Some of those Labour policies are so 'popular'; nationalising this and that, for example. However 56% of people still think that Corbyn "would be a disaster as Prime Minister".

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/poll-shows-people-love-labours-10404216

People will tend to vote for whatever party that has a leader who won't be a disaster.:)