the snap general election thread

A_Medium_Size_Jock

StevieJ wrote: »

Why is a second referendum on leaving the EU (when terms are known) so scary? I don't mean putting it up as an option now as this would obviously impinge on the negotiations, but a later decision when negotiations are complete.

Article 50 has been invoked.
Once it has been invoked, "there is no turning back and you must be prepared to leave".
http://openeurope.org.uk/today/blog/the-mechanics-of-leaving-the-eu-explaining-article-50/
Or as said by May: "there can be no turning back".
https://www.ft.com/content/96930b9e-627d-321a-b585-e167192efb2a

Now I reckon most of us realise that there are some who would demand a rerun or want a say in each & every topic discussed during negotiations, and even some who would like referendum after referendum until they get the answer they want.
(i.e. no Brexit.)

But the fact is - you're all too late.
Article 50 has been put forward and now the very best that dissenters can hope for is a delay beyond the two years as stipulated.
The difficulty with that is that it would appear that the majority of the country want out.

IveSeenTheLight

sevenhills wrote: »

He said the act, which was designed to trigger a referendum in the event of a new EU treaty that would transfer powers to the bloc from the UK, calls for the Government to have a referendum before it can ratify any treaty that amends or replaces the EU or the functioning of the bloc.

Maybe a semantic point, but what powers would be transferring to the bloc.
Surely Brexit is transferring power from the bloc.
The functionality of the bloc would continue as is for all remaining member states

wotsthat

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Article 50 has been invoked.
Once it has been invoked, "there is no turning back and you must be prepared to leave".
http://openeurope.org.uk/today/blog/the-mechanics-of-leaving-the-eu-explaining-article-50/
Or as said by May: "there can be no turning back".
https://www.ft.com/content/96930b9e-627d-321a-b585-e167192efb2a

Now I reckon most of us realise that there are some who would demand a rerun or want a say in each & every topic discussed during negotiations, and even some who would like referendum after referendum until they get the answer they want.
(i.e. no Brexit.)

But the fact is - you're all too late.
Article 50 has been put forward and now the very best that dissenters can hope for is a delay beyond the two years as stipulated.
The difficulty with that is that it would appear that the majority of the country want out.

Brexit isn't some sort of decree from God. It's just a bunch of people saying and doing things - they could decide to say and say other things instead.

If there was a real will for it to happen the utterances from Mrs May's mouth and the words on the openEurope site would change to suit.

If it was the will of the people I'm sure you'd respect that.

kabayiri

wotsthat wrote: »

Brexit isn't some sort of decree from God. It's just a bunch of people saying and doing things - they could decide to say and say other things instead.

If there was a real will for it to happen the utterances from Mrs May's mouth and the words on the openEurope site would change to suit.

If it was the will of the people I'm sure you'd respect that.

I agree, but I feel the same about the so called fundamental principles of the EU.

I think something like FoM should be a guide, but take in to account the individual concerns of the citizens in places impacted heavily.

FoM is not one of the ten commandments, and some even choose to ignore some of those!

A_Medium_Size_Jock

wotsthat wrote: »

Brexit isn't some sort of decree from God. It's just a bunch of people saying and doing things - they could decide to say and say other things instead.

If there was a real will for it to happen the utterances from Mrs May's mouth and the words on the openEurope site would change to suit.

If it was the will of the people I'm sure you'd respect that.

I am respecting that; it was "the will of the people" as per the referendum.

Will you at last respect "the will of the people" when the result of the General Election becomes known?

Conrad

StevieJ wrote: »

Why is a second referendum on leaving the EU (when terms are known) so scary? I don't mean putting it up as an option now as this would obviously impinge on the negotiations, but a later decision when negotiations are complete.

Because it would incentivise Brussels to offer a worst deal in the hope we and our annual contribution remain.

Conrad

wotsthat wrote: »

Brexit isn't some sort of decree from God. It's just a bunch of people saying and doing things - they could decide to say and say other things instead.

If there was a real will for it to happen the utterances from Mrs May's mouth and the words on the openEurope site would change to suit.

If it was the will of the people I'm sure you'd respect that.

So lets have a further one in addition to that in 1975, 2016 and the General Election.


And then another if we fancy it, maybe 10 more.

wotsthat

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

I am respecting that; it was "the will of the people" as per the referendum.

Will you at last respect "the will of the people" when the result of the General Election becomes known?

You missed the point - never mind.

wotsthat

Conrad wrote: »

So lets have a further one in addition to that in 1975, 2016 and the General Election.

And then another if we fancy it, maybe 10 more.

Why not? Democracy is a good thing therefore more must be better.

wotsthat

kabayiri wrote: »

I agree, but I feel the same about the so called fundamental principles of the EU.

I think something like FoM should be a guide, but take in to account the individual concerns of the citizens in places impacted heavily.

FoM is not one of the ten commandments, and some even choose to ignore some of those!

Yes. Freedom of movement will be a fundamental principle of the EU until decide it isn't.

Nothing's for ever because people can, and do, change their minds all the time.