the snap general election thread

kabayiri

wotsthat wrote: »

Why not? Democracy is a good thing therefore more must be better.

China has managed perfectly well for the last quarter of a century without it.

When they own UK and most of the EU, we might have to change our views on single party states.

Moby

wotsthat wrote: »

Although the good news for Labour is that this snap election means Corbyn will be 73 at the next election so highly unlikely to still be in charge.

Won't help them much if Diane Abbott takes over but maybe they've learnt something from the Miliband/ Corbyn years.

Neither Diane Abbott or John McDonnell will ever be Labour leader! Corbyn could hardly say he intends to step down just before an election either! The way through for Labour is to take the hit, draw up a chair, sit tight, watch the EU countries deconstruct May over the next five years and then take over the mess by being Blair to the tories Thatcher and offering a constructive way forward for our new relationship with the EU under someone like Starmer or Cooper. Leaving the party and forming another would be ridiculous. Our first past the post system favours two big parties and squeezes out the third. The good news for Labour is that the threat from UKIP has dissipated. Their toxicity could very well re-infect the tories into being the nasty party again. There will always be room under first past the post for those of us who loathe the tories.

Conrad

Moby wrote: »

The way through for Labour is to take the hit, draw up a chair, sit tight, watch the EU countries deconstruct May over the next five years and then take over the mess by being Blair to the tories Thatcher and offering a constructive way forward for our new relationship with the EU

Mr Macron has already stated his number one task is fixing the economy.
You suggest a protracted economic mess ahead of us.


It is difficult to see how Mr Macron could keep faith with farmers and other producers if he insists on barriers to trade between our two countries. How would this help the French youth back to work?


How would this protracted trade mess help Macron win power at the next election?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

wotsthat wrote: »

You missed the point - never mind.

I rather suspect that I did not and that in fact you missed the irony.

Moby

Conrad wrote: »

Mr Macron has already stated his number one task is fixing the economy.
You suggest a protracted economic mess ahead of us.


It is difficult to see how Mr Macron could keep faith with farmers and other producers if he insists on barriers to trade between our two countries. How would this help the French youth back to work?


How would this protracted trade mess help Macron win power at the next election?

You are overstating our significance. Merkel is !!!! a hoop that Macron won. He has his hands full granted but he has Germany onside and that's no small thing, (the biggest most powerful economy). The rest of them will fall in line. Macron has said that Brexit is 'suicide' for the UK. He is right and we now have years and years of gradual decline to look forward to. It is inevitable.

antrobus

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

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Also, besides the fact that your report there is from over a week ago read the first comment below that report:

.... So if a 2011 Act says a referendum is required, then a Parliament sitting in 2017, 2018 or whenever can say, "The 2011 Act is repealed, and a second referendum is not necessary" and in law that will be the case....

There is always that option.

It may well be that the EUA 2011 will be scheduled to die under the Great Repeal Act.

StevieJ

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

But the fact is - you're all too late.
Article 50 has been put forward and now the very best that dissenters can hope for is a delay beyond the two years as stipulated.
The difficulty with that is that it would appear that the majority of the country want out.

I don't think so, the best that dissenters can hope for is either
a) A great deal from the negotiations for both UK and the EU. OR
b) A crap deal of which the voting public in the UK are not happy, reflected in the opinion polls and a second referendum :-)

Provided negotiations have not been concluded, Article 50 can be reversed.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/can-article-50-be-reversed-after-general-election-2017-4

A_Medium_Size_Jock

StevieJ wrote: »

I don't think so, the best that dissenters can hope for is either
a) A great deal from the negotiations for both UK and the EU. OR
b) A crap deal of which the voting public in the UK are not happy, reflected in the opinion polls and a second referendum :-)

Provided negotiations have not been concluded, Article 50 can be reversed.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/can-article-50-be-reversed-after-general-election-2017-4

Article 50 can be reversed?
In your dreams.
Read:
http://uk.businessinsider.com/can-article-50-be-reversed-after-general-election-2017-4

Besides the legal aspects both for and against,

the UK would need 27 other countries to vote to let us back in

.
You really think that would be likely?
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Tromking

Moby wrote: »

He is right and we now have years and years of gradual decline to look forward to. It is inevitable.

No it isn't, it's conjecture.

steampowered

Conrad wrote: »

Mr Macron has already stated his number one task is fixing the economy.
You suggest a protracted economic mess ahead of us.

It is difficult to see how Mr Macron could keep faith with farmers and other producers if he insists on barriers to trade between our two countries. How would this help the French youth back to work?

How would this protracted trade mess help Macron win power at the next election?

I think this is completely wrong. You are assuming that trade with the UK would be prioritised over maintenance of an internal market.

Macron was extremely explicit during his campaign about the need to maintain the integrity of the internal market. That can't happen unless the UK fully applies EU laws on trade and EU laws on tax.

One obvious way of boosting French jobs would be to block the UK's access to the single market; or even just block the ability for financial services firms regulated in the UK to passport into the rest of the EU without being locally regulated. The French have been very explicit about their desire to encourage financial services companies to move employees from London to Paris - and have launched an advertising campaign in London encouraging people to move!