the snap general election thread

A_Medium_Size_Jock

I've seen much regarding the election, DUP involvement etc.

For a little light-hearted perspective here's a report regarding Holland and how the Dutch are going to try again to form a coalition government - a full 100 days after their elections!

Rutte told reporters his liberal VVD party will return to the negotiating table next week with the centrist Democrats 66, Christian Democratic CDA and the conservative Christian Union.
Previous discussions between the same parties broke down after only hours due to a disagreement between CU and D66 over plans by the latter to expand the euthanasia law.
Rutte said on Friday he was confident that this attempt, the third in as many months, will ultimately lead to a deal.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-netherlands-politics-coalition-idUKKBN19E2F3?il=0

GreatApe

steampowered wrote: »

So the example you give of Corbyn being "extreme" is setting a minimum wage of £10 an hour.

You will recall that George Osborne had announced increasing the minimum wage to £9 an hour by 2020 in the 2015 budget.

I simply do not see how increasing the minimum wage from £9 to £10 fits any sensible definition of the word "extreme".

I also do not understand why you think offering votes to 16 year olds is "extreme". You might not agree with it, but it works perfectly fine in Scotland and in countries like Switzerland and Austria.

small movements in politics and taxation have big impacts on peoples lives

he doesn't need to bite the head off a bat to be extreme if he wants to swing the size of the state by 10% that is extreme

BobQ

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Well he is the most extreme leader of any political party we've had since the war. His views unfortunately will create many negative emotions in certain quarters.

However, 40% of the electorate had no problem voting for the policies he espouses. Many say they were a money tree list but the Tory plans had no indication of any costing either. So I do not think that he is "extreme".

I did not vote for Labour because I did not think Corbyn could win the election (which was the case), not because of his policies. But I am surprised how close he came to winning - another 1% switching their vote could have made for a real upset.

When you talk of being an "extreme leader" I am bemused - you may not agree with him but what makes him extreme? Extreme to me is advocating the suspension of the courts, nationalisation of the media or the internet, banning LBGTI marriages etc.

padington

Corbyn will get into power because the Tory party currently are intent on inflicting more harm to the nation than Corbyn is offering. That's the bottom line.

gfplux

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Well he is the most extreme leader of any political party we've had since the war. His views unfortunately will create many negative emotions in certain quarters.

I think that remark was written without thinking about who have been leaders of all the party's since the war.

Just remember the following and the starting point of their respective party's or there grass roots supporters.

Micheal Foot
Tony Blair
Mageret Thatcher

My starting point may be different to yours. Extreme is a judgement dependent how far they are from your personal starting point.
My starting point has changed over time/expectations/life. Perhaps I could be considered as a floating voter as I have changed over more than seven decades. Who wouldn't?
The three named above I have supported, admired, voted for and also detested.

Actually I want to add that Theresa May completely fooled me with her speech outside number 10 as she became Prime Minister nearly a year ago.
11 months on she has proven a HUGE disappointment. Perhaps not for political reasons but she has broken my heart (ok over the top) with her incompetence and errors of judgment.
She is simply not up to the job of 24 hours, 7 days a week carrying the burden of being Prime Minister of Great Britain.
Perhaps she is too good a person to have that responsibility.

Thrugelmir

BobQ wrote: »

However, 40% of the electorate had no problem voting for the policies he espouses. Many say they were a money tree list but the Tory plans had no indication of any costing either. So I do not think that he is "extreme".

The manifesto was the tip of the iceberg. Of course people will vote for something that benefits them. Money in the pocket. We've discussed the manifesto costings at the election. Time to move on. More important matters to address.

For the record. The £10 per hour rate for 16 years olds wasn't in the manifesto. Hardly surprising as that would have been savaged. Over the coming weeks and months we are going to hear more of the policies that were omitted from the manifesto. Then we'll have clearer view of his vision.

kabayiri

Thrugelmir wrote: »

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For the record. The £10 per hour rate for 16 years olds wasn't in the manifesto. Hardly surprising as that would have been savaged. Over the coming weeks and months we are going to hear more of the policies that were omitted from the manifesto. Then we'll have clearer view of his vision.

Vision?

Mad grab for a bit of power / some semblance of validation for his long and undistinguished career, before he is too old to get down with the kids.

It's not particularly hard to make up ways of spending billions of pounds we don't have.

Thrugelmir

kabayiri wrote: »

Vision?

JC has had enough years to formulate one. Once elected to the leadership. Understandable why he has proved impossible to kick out. Every dog has it's day.

kabayiri

Thrugelmir wrote: »

JC has had enough years to formulate one. Once elected to the leadership. Understandable why he has proved impossible to kick out. Every dog has it's day.

He's an old man who has spent his life in fairly cushioned state employment.

He doesn't know what it's like to be out of work because some exec outsourced your job to India.

Nobody listened to his 'vision' when New Labour were in power for 13 years, and we had more money to implement his ideas then.

Blair; Brown; Vince Cable ...they all worked out that mass H.E for the masses was simply not feasible, and along comes this bloke and dreams it up when we have half a trillion pounds more national debt?!!

If Corbyn gets elected, it says more about the lack of vision and determination of the British public.

padington

gfplux wrote: »

I think that remark was written without thinking about who have been leaders of all the party's since the war.

Just remember the following and the starting point of their respective party's or there grass roots supporters.

Micheal Foot
Tony Blair
Mageret Thatcher

My starting point may be different to yours. Extreme is a judgement dependent how far they are from your personal starting point.
My starting point has changed over time/expectations/life. Perhaps I could be considered as a floating voter as I have changed over more than seven decades. Who wouldn't?
The three named above I have supported, admired, voted for and also detested.

Actually I want to add that Theresa May completely fooled me with her speech outside number 10 as she became Prime Minister nearly a year ago.
11 months on she has proven a HUGE disappointment. Perhaps not for political reasons but she has broken my heart (ok over the top) with her incompetence and errors of judgment.
She is simply not up to the job of 24 hours, 7 days a week carrying the burden of being Prime Minister of Great Britain.
Perhaps she is too good a person to have that responsibility.

Good ? Are you joking, she tried to take away free hot lunches from the nations children. Nothing strategic, clever, kind or good about that. She is a fool and a bad one at that. Calling election after article 50, what an idiot! Taunting EU leaders before the election, what was she doing? Using EU residents and brits abroad as bargaining chips for years whilst they worry away.

She is a very nasty and horrible and a very stupid person.

Cameron called it when he said she wasn't even nice to him when he was Prime Minister. Horrible, horrible person.

... and her horrible legacy will live on in Europe in the taste of the mouths of those we need to get a good deal from.

Many criminals have done less harm than she has.

She represents none of the good traits of the best of British and it's a testamont of the lack of talent in the Tory party these days that she ever got to where she did.

She can't even face Jeremy !!!!!!!g Corbyn on a TV debate, what a waste of space.