the snap general election thread

steampowered

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Corbyn has been around for decades. Why was he never even considered for a shadow ministerial post under any Labour Leader. There's so much more behind the public image.

Not answering the question.

Do you have a reason for calling Corbyn "extreme", or are you just wildly exaggerating and throwing around emotionally charged words for no particular reason?

GreatApe wrote: »

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None of what you describe is "extreme".

For example you may not like plans in the Labour manifesto to raise the top rate corporation tax to 26%. But given that this is where it was in 2010 under Cameron, and given that it would still be one of the lowest rates in the world, you can't tell me with a straight face that this is "extreme".

Things like potentially reducing the ISA threshold - which is purely wild speculation on your part and has never been proposed as far as I'm aware - are again not "extreme" under any sensible use of the world.

Thrugelmir

steampowered wrote: »

Do you have a reason for calling Corbyn "extreme", or are you just wildly exaggerating and throwing around emotionally charged words for no particular reason?

His politics very firmly sit to the left of the spectrum. Far removed from the views of the majority of the UK electorate.

Easy to win over the young generation by promising 16 year olds a living wage of £10 per hour for example. The reality is that this is soundbite politics to win votes. Why else turn up at Glastonbury. As he knows he cannot win over the middle ground. As it is they who are going to pay the price.

steampowered

Thrugelmir wrote: »

His politics very firmly sit to the left of the spectrum. Far removed from the views of the majority of the UK electorate.

Easy to win over the young generation by promising 16 year olds a living wage of £10 per hour for example. The reality is that this is soundbite politics to win votes. As he knows he cannot win over the middle ground. As it is they who are going to pay the price.

So the example you give of Corbyn being "extreme" is setting a minimum wage of £10 an hour.

You will recall that George Osborne had announced increasing the minimum wage to £9 an hour by 2020 in the 2015 budget.

I simply do not see how increasing the minimum wage from £9 to £10 fits any sensible definition of the word "extreme".

I also do not understand why you think offering votes to 16 year olds is "extreme". You might not agree with it, but it works perfectly fine in Scotland and in countries like Switzerland and Austria.

Thrugelmir

steampowered wrote: »

So the example you give of Corbyn being "extreme" is setting a minimum wage of £10 an hour.

Used in the context of beyond reason and convention then yes. This proposal is for a wage for 16 year olds. Think the matter through fully. The wider implications. The holes in it are soon exposed. Not even worthy of debate. As pure fantasy thinking.

Fella

steampowered wrote: »

Why do you think he is so extreme?

Why do you ask this, you know the reasons, you just refuse to acknowledge them.

He invited the IRA to the HOC 3 weeks after they tried to kill the PM with a bomb. He opposed the Irish Peace Process. He calls Hamas & Hezbollah "friends". He's a Marxist.

There are many many others but everytime they're listed on here one of his adoring minions leaps to his defence & says something along the lines of "not that again". Without ever being able to dispute any of it (none of it is open to dispute since it's all a matter of public record).

gfplux

With all the issues the present "Government" has to deal with, particularly Brexit is it really getting on with the day job. Frankly Britain needs to worry it will suffer hugely from "lost opportunity cost"

Cakeguts

Fella wrote: »

Why do you ask this, you know the reasons, you just refuse to acknowledge them.

He invited the IRA to the HOC 3 weeks after they tried to kill the PM with a bomb. He opposed the Irish Peace Process. He calls Hamas & Hezbollah "friends". He's a Marxist.

There are many many others but everytime they're listed on here one of his adoring minions leaps to his defence & says something along the lines of "not that again". Without ever being able to dispute any of it (none of it is open to dispute since it's all a matter of public record).

"Oh no not that again" and "that was in the past" and "that is history." Is what I got from the bully minions. Well the Nazis are in the past but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't do something to stop something similar from happening again?

The problem is that the loony left gets power because people don't look at what they are actually not doing, they just listen to the rubbish spouted.

I have a good example of an advert from our local council when it was run by the loony left in the past.

The local council were advertising for someone to work as a scaffolder. The advert said words to the effect of, we would welcome applications from females and disabled people because they are under represented in this field. The females I could cope with but I had a lot of difficulty working out which disability would mean that you were safe to work on scaffolding. I am sure that there are some but there are many that are not so of course the disabled were under represented. It was completely bonkers.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

steampowered wrote: »

I'm actually not a particular fan of Corbyn. I disagree with him on plenty of things.

However I do think the ridiculous levels of hyperbole that get thrown at him by political opponents is an absolute disgrace. This kind of behaviour badly undermines democracy.

I would quite like to live in a country where people have sensible discussions based on the facts. Not a country where people just throw facts out the window and engage in ridiculous levels of exaggeration at every opportunity.

It's not just at Corbyn though, is it - and I note you make no such comment about others on the receiving end of such behaviour.
It seems to be a current fad.
See my post here:
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=72743850&postcount=60

From thread:
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5669175

As I say in summary there: "Please, please can the UK return to calm, logical and reasoned reporting and interviewing rather than the sensationalism so frequently employed currently?
No wonder the country is so polarized."

hallmark

steampowered wrote: »

I'm actually not a particular fan of Corbyn. I disagree with him on plenty of things.

However I do think the ridiculous levels of hyperbole that get thrown at him by political opponents is an absolute disgrace. This kind of behaviour badly undermines democracy.

I would quite like to live in a country where people have sensible discussions based on the facts. Not a country where people just throw facts out the window and engage in ridiculous levels of exaggeration at every opportunity.

You were given facts and as predicted you won't acknowledge them & can't refute them.

hallmark

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

It's not just at Corbyn though, is it - and I note you make no such comment about others on the receiving end of such behaviour.

For somebody who claims not to be a Corbyn fan he does seem to be a huge Corbyn fan...... Won't hear a word said against him.
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