the snap general election thread

Thrugelmir

CKhalvashi wrote: »

I said it should have been guaranteed to have been sorted within 24 hours

At the time housing was unlikely to have been top of the list. I would put actually working out who was in the building at the time, missing and unaccounted for to have been a far higher priority. Life itself is far more important than a day or two of inconvenience.

ThinkingOutLoud_2

padington wrote: »

Any racism is implied wrongly by the misinformed reader. The phrase goes back to the classical Greeks.

Well sorry but our language evolves like your spelling of "padington".

Just like cool or wicked or awful; you can't know what meaning is inferred without more context.

But you can if you are trying to make a point choose words to avoid ambiguity or to stir things up.

steampowered

Fella wrote: »

It's been said before but it's worth repeating: Corbyn's labour and their followers are simply a party of protest. They have no idea what it takes to Govern. They simply sit on the sidelines & criticize everything the Government does.

I honestly wonder what you think an opposition party is supposed to do? Or usually does?

Were you not following politics between 1997 and 2010 for example?

Thrugelmir

steampowered wrote: »

I honestly wonder what you think an opposition party is supposed to do? Or usually does?

Were you not following politics between 1997 and 2010 for example?

Has reached new lows recently. With far more of a personal aspect. While the opposition is there to hold the Government to account. Should still act in a constructive manner for the benefit of the country as a whole. Not just it's own political cause.

steampowered

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Has reached new lows recently. With far more of a personal aspect. While the opposition is there to hold the Government to account. Should still act in a constructive manner for the benefit of the country as a whole. Not just it's own political cause.

"More of a personal aspect"?

While attacks on party leaders have been a part of politics for decades, the attacks on Jeremy Corbyn prior to the election were the most personal I can remember in British politics. As far as I could see the Conservative campaign seemed to be based around running attack ads against Jeremy Corbyn.

I don't think the Conservatives can legitimately turn around and complain about Labour and the media criticising May now. It is still very mild compared to what Corbyn had to deal with.

Thrugelmir

steampowered wrote: »

While attacks on party leaders have been a part of politics for decades, the attacks on Jeremy Corbyn prior to the election were the most personal I can remember in British politics.

Well he is the most extreme leader of any political party we've had since the war. His views unfortunately will create many negative emotions in certain quarters.

steampowered

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Well he is the most extreme leader of any political party we've had since the war. His views unfortunately will create many negative emotions in certain quarters.

Why do you think he is so extreme?

For example the proposals for corporation tax are only taking us back to where it was in 2010 under Cameron and Osborne.

Thrugelmir

steampowered wrote: »

Why do you think he is so extreme?

For example the proposals for corporation tax are only taking us back to where it was in 2010 under Cameron and Osborne.

Corbyn has been around for decades. Why was he never even considered for a shadow ministerial post under any Labour Leader. There's so much more behind the public image.

GreatApe

steampowered wrote: »

Why do you think he is so extreme?

For example the proposals for corporation tax are only taking us back to where it was in 2010 under Cameron and Osborne.

People read into the direction of his views and don't want to risk it

So for instance rent controls. I don't want them nor do the 2-3 million landlords nor do the 2-3 million spouses nor the 5 million kids of said families. That's at least 10+ million alienated there

Higher corp taxes. While it might sound OK who is losing out? Pension funds and pensioners and any one else who owns stocks and shares.

Higher income taxes for those on £80k alienates not just those on £80k+ but their spouses and children too.

VAT on private schools. Some 7% of kids go to private schools so more or less 7% of the population screwed there and its probably the same group who have been hit by the additional taxes on £80k+ income. You might think tough !!!! but they won't vote for it. Also it won't take a large number of them deciding its no longer worth it for this to raise not much in taxes.

Higher Inheritence taxes via lower thresholds. So many more people would fall into this trap

There is also the risk of a far left government attacking middle class 'perks' like pensions and ISA wrappers. I would expect ISAs to get a big hit under him. Maybe by limiting the total funds or reducing the annual £20k allowance to £2k. Likewise I see the possibility of the removal of saving for a pension with gross wages or further reducing the £40k annual limit.


You then have stupid ideas like nationalising the rail and utilities and gems like buikding nuclear submarines but not arming them.

Thrugelmir

GreatApe wrote: »

People read into the direction of his views and don't want to risk it

So for instance rent controls. I don't want them nor do the 2-3 million landlords nor do the 2-3 million spouses nor the 5 million kids of said families. That's at least 10+ million alienated there

Higher corp taxes. While it might sound OK who is losing out? Pension funds and pensioners and any one else who owns stocks and shares.

Higher income taxes for those on £80k alienates not just those on £80k+ but their spouses and children too.

VAT on private schools. Some 7% of kids go to private schools so more or less 7% of the population screwed there and its probably the same group who have been hit by the additional taxes on £80k+ income. You might think tough !!!! but they won't vote for it. Also it won't take a large number of them deciding its no longer worth it for this to raise not much in taxes.

Higher Inheritence taxes via lower thresholds. So many more people would fall into this trap

There is also the risk of a far left government attacking middle class 'perks' like pensions and ISA wrappers. I would expect ISAs to get a big hit under him. Maybe by limiting the total funds or reducing the annual £20k allowance to £2k. Likewise I see the possibility of the removal of saving for a pension with gross wages or further reducing the £40k annual limit.


You then have stupid ideas like nationalising the rail and utilities and gems like buikding nuclear submarines but not arming them.

Then there's International Affairs. Would make Trump look like a lap cat.