the snap general election thread

Conrad

setmefree2 wrote: »

!!!!!! this guy went to a private prep schoo,then to a grammar and yet has EE at A level and only survived a year at a poly - he's never worked - and now he's going to run the UK - how the !!!! does that happen?

See latest polling info in the Telegrapgh, looking good

GreatApe

setmefree2 wrote: »

!!!!!! this guy went to a private prep schoo,then to a grammar and yet has EE at A level and only survived a year at a poly - he's never worked - and now he's going to run the UK - how the !!!! does that happen?

Maybe instead of the useless TV debates (shouting matches) the party leaders should be given a proper IQ test (not rebased for age) and the results published. Also for the chosen chancellor.

Can still vote for them but it would be good to know if the proposed Chancellor had an IQ over 80 and the proposed PM over 100.

Conrad

Qriously have Labour lead

Joe_Horner

Conrad wrote: »

Qriously have Labour lead

They also called a good few right that the rest didn't, including Brexit and Trump. Still a definite outlier but spices it up a bit Suspect I'm going to be very tired indeed in work on Friday!

Chrysalis

kinger101 wrote: »

It will result in a much smaller subsection of society paying tax.

Lower working classes would be more likely to leave work altogether as it would no longer pay. Those that can live off capital will no longer work at they would viewing as being not worthwhile.

Why would work no longer pay?

Their living costs would be reduced. Especially transportation to and from work.
Even today a min wage job provides much more income than the state provides on benefits. This is before the upcoming push for people to get the living wage.

Now if you talking about the rich who got large savings, (the living of capital), are you trying to say someone earning 200k a year paying say 60% tax would not consider working 80k a year worthwhile. then why do people work for much less?

Again you looking at only the self reward aspect, when I work I dont just see it as what I get out of it, the fact I feel good about contributing to the country as well.

Society is messed up, people need to realise its not just about #1.

Also in previous periods of higher income taxation we actually had higher employment rates amongst the lower classes. The argument is similar to the one that claimed introducing a min wage would lose jobs, trying to put fear into people that if this or that happens its bad.

Chrysalis

kabayiri wrote: »

*Trust*

The ex-boss of car phone warehouse (I think) sold up for several hundred million, and openly admitted he tries to avoid paying tax.

Why, you may ask.

Well, it's not due to poor greed. He just doesn't trust the state to spend his tax money well. He prefers charitable donation. It's not the only time I have heard this view.

Anybody who has read Private Eye over the decades can list literally dozens and dozens of examples of bad spending decisions, at both local and central government level.

I remain convinced that should we elect a party with ambitious spending plans, in a short timeframe, we will end up reading about a lot more waste and abuse in years to come.

Why can't they build up our trust in them slowly and progressively?

The problem with this is two things.

First off tax avoidance isnt moral to start with, the average person who pays income tax via PAYE cant just decide to stop paying tax because they dont like the policies.

Second, a government has a lot more information than some rich individual, many people havent a clue how others in different situations to themselves struggle or thrive, the only indications they may get is from the news media which of course is full of propaganda, so e.g. its quite common to hear people think benefit claimants tend to be lazy, spend their money on sky, booze etc, dont pay their bills and also common to think there is no such think as poverty in the UK and it only exists in places like africa.

So whilst the owner of carphone warehouse may "think" the money is spent badly, in reality he doesnt have all the facts.

Is there waste? probably yes. But doesnt mean all the money is wasted. e.g. my own view is I consider HS2 a waste, I consider work programme providers a waste of money, I consider tax breaks a waste of money, but another person will completely disagree with me.

The rich are clearly too influential, I dont know the exact way to fix it but the situation where governments are scared to tax them more because they threaten to cut jobs and leave the country has to stop, e.g. lets say I am buddies with 10 CEO's and I am a CEO myself, we decide we dont like the government, we could trigger a recession by cutting jobs for no reason other than to screw up the sitting government. Then when the other party we like comes in, we bring the jobs back to make that government look good.

The tax haven problem needs global cooperation to fix, so every country in the world has the same tax rates, trump in america managed to get some companies moving away to come back by saying if they move out of the country he will tax their imports heavily to make them noncompetitive. An idea I would consider is if a corporation threatens to leave the country I would setup a competitor that is not for profit (so can undercut on prices) to decimate their UK profit, and make it clear to them paying tax on high profits is better than paying no tax on low profits.

Ultimately if nothing is done it will eventually end up with corporation tax rates at 1%, income tax rates at single digits. A state that is really small (which is not a good thing), we would be back to Victorian times with workhouses and a few elite doing well out of it.

Chrysalis

Spidernick wrote: »

I'm sure I cannot be the only person who finds the cover of today's Daily Mail totally despicable and offensive:



I know we get lambasted for going on about the Mail all the time, but is truly an awful (at times bordering on seditious) rag! :mad:

and tories claim the bbc is biased.

That headline is potentially libel.

setmefree2

Conrad wrote: »

Corbyn and his puppeteers Sturgeon and Farron do not have the aptitude or confidence for Brexit, so of course they will get a worse deal for us.

I hate to tell you this but I don't think they'll leave.

setmefree2

Chrysalis wrote: »

Society is messed up, people need to realise its not just about #1.

You're dead right.

Remember this -you probably won't get the services you want because YOU, the 95%, weren't prepared to pay for them.

setmefree2

Chrysalis wrote: »

and tories claim the bbc is biased.

That headline is potentially libel.

That headline is true. But vote for them anyway. Those guys supported the Republican cause, they supported the armed struggle - they supported Hamas. They hated MI6, MI5, GCHQ, The British Army and NATO....and much more .

You're deluded.