the snap general election thread

gfplux

The TV debate is over.
Amber Rudd did OK and frankly I suspect May would have struggled.
Corbyn hardly put a foot wrong and once again proving he is not the man described in the media.
Great performances by Tim Farron, Caroline Lucas of the Greens and Angus Robertson of the SNP.
Welsh lady faded as time went on and Paul Nuttal the racist was Paul Nuttal the racist.

Fella

masterwilde wrote: »

well all you torie voters that love the banks

Over 11 million people in the UK voted Tory in 2015. Do ya really think that's 11 million people sitting at home saying "you know what I love? I really love banks. Can't get enough of 'em. Lovely lovely banks".

Or, do you think it's possible that your sentence says a lot more about you than about the 11 million people who voted Tory?

Conrad

The audience bias was a hideous spectacle. Lucas on mentioning Trident got rapturous applause and whoops. I can think of dozens more examples.

Shows the left for the corrupt manipulation they go in for, what an appauling spectacle but Rudd still won.

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

Corbyn hardly put a foot wrong and once again proving he is not the man described in the media.

He's a perfectly ordinary nice man. Words are cheap. Doesn't alter his historic views and actions. Is he a statesmen for the world stage though? Given the majority of the PLP opposes his views. Will a Labour Government be able to control it's own MP's.

Joe_Horner

Thrugelmir wrote: »

More credible as a Minister than Dianne Abbott. One man cannot do everything. Requires a team. Teams have strengths and weaknesses. This isn't the x Factor.

I don't take anything away from Rudd. I don't agree with her politics, but she's willing to do the job. May, on the other hand, is General Melchett sitting in HQ while his troops go over the top shouting "That's the spirit! Bahhhhhh".

And that's not leadership.

Fella

Thrugelmir wrote: »

He's a perfectly ordinary nice man. Words are cheap. Doesn't alter his historic views and actions. Is he a statesmen for the world stage though? Given the majority of the PLP opposes his views. Will a Labour Government be able to control it's own MP's.

Corbyn managing to convince a lot of sensible people that he's a nice man is astounding IMO. Where is the evidence of it?

He has repeatedly proven himself to be utterly disloyal to his own party, voting against them continually. He lied when he ran for leader, claiming he didn't want it until the moment he won it. He appoints his inner clique of friends & even ex-girlfriends (shudder) to the most elevated positions, regardless of their suitability for the role & the disastrous effect on the country if they end up with the real job & not just the shadow position. He has consistently supported terrorist groups, including being part of the editing board of a magazine that gloated after the Brighton Bombing. He invited the IRA to the house of commons when their victims had barely been buried (regardless of anything else just how much of an insensitive lowlife do you have to be to do that? Can you even begin to imagine the furore if some Tory invited members of ISIS to the house of commons 3 weeks after the Manchester atrocity? That is precisely the equivalent of what Corbyn did). He played no part in the peace process whatsoever & in fact voted against it but is subsequently attempting to rewrite his role as if he played some pivotal part in ending the troubles. And add to that his reaction ranges from irritation to barely concealed rage everytime somebody has the audacity to question him.

No, he is emphatically not a nice man.

Filo25

Westminster voting intention:

CON: 42% (-1)
LAB: 39% (+3)
LDEM: 7% (-2)
UKIP: 4% (-)

(via @YouGov / 30 - 31 May)

ukcarper

Conrad wrote: »

The audience bias was a hideous spectacle. Lucas on mentioning Trident got rapturous applause and whoops. I can think of dozens more examples.

Shows the left for the corrupt manipulation they go in for, what an appauling spectacle but Rudd still won.

Don't think you are right and the audience was picked to be balance, problem is Conservatives only get 35% of vote so almost twice as many voters oppose them.

Rinoa

Back in 1964 Sir Alec Douglas-Home was challenged by Harold Wilson to a TV debate.

He declined on the grounds it would turn into a 'Top of the Pops' charade. The winner would simply be the best actor, who of course would have his lines prepared for him in advance by a script writer.

Smarter than he looked was Sir Alec.

Fella

ukcarper wrote: »

Don't think you are right and the audience was picked to be balance, problem is Conservatives only get 35% of vote so almost twice as many voters oppose them.

I was out & didn't see any of it but I skimmed the Guardian reaction page on the grounds it would paint the Tories as badly as possible. Even on there one of the featured tweets was from somebody saying it was the most biased audience they'd ever seen on a debate.