the snap general election thread

Thrugelmir

mayonnaise wrote: »

Pound weakening in face of a Corbyn win/hung parliament should do wonders to our exports. Innit, Conrad?

Export of what?

54% of what we export contains imported product.

Devalued £ increases energy costs as well.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

mayonnaise wrote: »

......a majority wants either a soft Brexit or no Brexit at all, that much is clear.
No need to squabble.

Not true.

Firstly any Brexit = leave the EU.
As said many many times, there is no "hard" or "soft" there is just Brexit.
A " soft" Brexit as imagined, or as explained here: http://www.lbc.co.uk/news/the-news-explained/what-a-hard-and-soft-brexit/ is not in fact Brexit; we would remain tied to the EU.

It is likely that if Britain does push for a Soft Brexit, it will mean the EU will insist on Britain accepting the “Four Freedoms”.
Pro EU politicians argue that maintaining strong links is a matter of national interest, but anti-EU voices have argued that a Soft Brexit would not honour the referendum

The vote (should you need reminding) was to leave the EU.

Secondly you're being imaginative.
As opposed to your earlier chart, this is much more recent:

The rise of the “Re-Leavers” mean the pro-Brexit electorate is 68%

When taking this into account, we can split the country into three groups instead of two: The Hard Leavers who want out of the EU (45%); the Hard Remainers who still want to try to stop Brexit (22%); and the Re-Leavers (23%). The other 9% don’t know.

There is a third group who change the dynamics of EU-related arguments – the “Re-Leavers.” These are people who voted to Remain in the EU and many still think that leaving was the wrong decision, but crucially now believe the government has a duty to carry out the will of the British people.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/05/12/forget-52-rise-re-leavers-mean-pro-brexit-electora/

Clear, see?
Like you said, no need to squabble.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

mayonnaise wrote: »

And this chap is supposed to successfully negotiate with the EU27....:o

Do try to contain your excitement, you risk doing yourself an injury.
There's still nigh-on two weeks yet before you crow or cry.
Much can happen yet.

wotsthat

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Not true.

Firstly any Brexit = leave the EU.
As said many many times, there is no "hard" or "soft" there is just Brexit.
A " soft" Brexit as imagined, or as explained here: http://www.lbc.co.uk/news/the-news-explained/what-a-hard-and-soft-brexit/ is not in fact Brexit; we would remain tied to the EU.

The vote was whether or not we'd leave the EU. The leave campaign won, the will of the people will prevail and it's getting close to a cast iron certainty that we won't be members come 2019.

It's frankly ridiculous to point to continuing ties with the EU as evidence that Brexit hasn't taken place.

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

The vote (should you need reminding) was to leave the EU.

Worth remembering.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

wotsthat wrote: »

It's frankly ridiculous to point to continuing ties with the EU as evidence that Brexit hasn't taken place.

I am so pleased that you at least see Brexit is indeed severing ties with the EU.

The vote (should you need reminding) was to leave the EU.
Worth remembering.

Quite so.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36383985/what-is-brexit

wotsthat

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

I am so pleased that you at least see Brexit is indeed severing ties with the EU.

Did you make that interpretation from what I just said? How?

Brexit means leaving the EU. That's it.

Anything else is stuff we decide to do (or not do) in addition to resigning our membership.

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Quite so.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36383985/what-is-brexit

Not watched it but, a wild guess, he's talking about stuff we might do in addition to leaving the EU?

Conrad

If Corbyn were to win there's an upside for me; Watching all the lefties fume as it slowly dawns his combination of sending out the 'come to Britain' signal, boosting benefits and harming business will be a disaster for their personal finances.


Free money wasn't free after all, who woulda though it.......

mayonnaise

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Do try to contain your excitement, you risk doing yourself an injury.
There's still nigh-on two weeks yet before you crow or cry.
Much can happen yet.

Not getting excited. I already stated I'd prefer a Tory win. Yawn.

mayonnaise wrote: »

It's a scary thought.
Although my moral compass prohibits me from ever voting Tory again after their lurch to the extreme-right, I do want them to fully own the Brexit debacle about to come our way.

A_Pict_In_A_Past_Life

mayonnaise wrote: »

And this chap is supposed to successfully negotiate with the EU27....:o

The whole story reeks of nothing but spin.

Theresa May is at the G7 meeting, so it's no great surprise that the Conservatives aren't restarting their campaign yet.
From recent happenings, perhaps she should be taking time to make sure the "re-launch" is as well-prepared as possible.
No different really though to the SNP who have put off the launch of their manifesto, now planned for Perth early next week.

wotsthat

Conrad wrote: »

If Corbyn were to win there's an upside for me; Watching all the lefties fume as it slowly dawns his combination of sending out the 'come to Britain' signal, boosting benefits and harming business will be a disaster for their personal finances.


Free money wasn't free after all, who woulda though it.......

Change is good.