the snap general election thread

martinsurrey

mayonnaise wrote: »

The Brexit most people want is either a soft one or no Brexit at all.

hmmm that's a bit selective reading isn't it!

Picking one option, most people want a hard brexit
39% hard, 25% soft, 23% none

Picking 2 most popular options most people want a hard or soft Brexit at 54%, but leaning more heavily on the harder side of a soft Brexit (15% harder side against 10% softer side).

In no combination of the most popular outcome is no Brexit involved.

mayonnaise

Pound weakening in face of a Corbyn win/hung parliament should do wonders to our exports. Innit, Conrad?

mayonnaise

martinsurrey wrote: »

hmmm that's a bit selective reading isn't it!

No it isn't.

Next.

antrobus

The Antrobist Socialist Revolutionary Party will soon be presenting its fully costed manifesto, which will be offering ten extra bank holidays, an extra £25 bn a year for the NHS and social care, free chocolate hobnobs on the last Friday of every month, and more besides. All of which will be fully funded by increasing the Corporation tax rate to 50%, and taxing every lazy rich bar steward we can track down; hence our campaign slogan 'Don't worry, somebody else will pay for it.'

Some people have criticised this approach, claiming that when implemented these policies will cause (inter alia), the pound to tank, the stock market to crash, a collapse in investement, and that the economy will be in recession within a year, if not sooner. To which my response would be, that's the whole flippin point you naive fools. These are transitional demands; they are not supposed to actually work; they are supposed to speed up the death agony of capitalism, and inspire the systematic mobilization of the masses in support of the proletarian revolution.

I know I shouldn't really have to explain the basics of Trotskyism, but sadly the level of political education in this country is not what it should be.

I hope we can count on your vote on the 8th June.

Sapphire

mayonnaise wrote: »

Project Fear going into overdrive.

No part of any 'project', I assure you – just my own personal feelings, based on historical facts and experience.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

martinsurrey wrote: »

hmmm that's a bit selective reading isn't it!

Picking one option, most people want a hard brexit
39% hard, 25% soft, 23% none

Picking 2 most popular options most people want a hard or soft Brexit at 54%, but leaning more heavily on the harder side of a soft Brexit (15% harder side against 10% softer side).

In no combination of the most popular outcome is no Brexit involved.

Not only is it selective reading but it is from January, so is almost six months out of date.
In a world where opinions can change almost by the minute, it seems.

There remains as near as heck a fortnight until the election.
Much can and I'm sure will happen before then.
As so many say, the only poll that matters is the one on June 8th.

mayonnaise

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Not only is it selective reading but it is from January, so is six months out of date.

And here's me thinking we're currently in the month of May.:o
Anyway, as stated, a majority wants either a soft Brexit or no Brexit at all, that much is clear.
No need to squabble.

Arklight

Apparently the Tories have decided the best thing to do about their collapse in the opinions polls is to stop campaigning. Well, they've tried everything else.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservatives-election-campaign-relaunch-party-lead-polls-cut-labour-theresa-may-jeremy-corbyn-a7756976.html

The Conservatives cancelled the relaunch of their election campaign, as nervousness grew over the party’s evaporating opinion poll lead.

Faced with the likelihood of difficult questions about the Tory campaign, Brexit Secretary David Davis suddenly pulled out of an event planned for central London early today.

With Theresa May abroad at the G7 summit in Sicily, it meant the effective relaunch of the Tory campaign, after the three-day pause because of the Manchester bombings, was put on hold...

...Meanwhile, the Prime Minister’s lead over Jeremy Corbyn in personal approval ratings has shrunk from an astonishing 52 per cent at the start of the election campaign to just 17 per cent.

Corbyn has also chosen to weigh in on British foreign policy and it's effect on terrorism on our own shores:

Speaking in Westminster, he made clear he thought that terrorists were entirely to blame for their own actions but that governments must also examine the effectiveness of their policy decisions.

“No rationale based on the actions of any government can remotely excuse, or even adequately explain, outrages like this week’s massacre,” he said.

“But we must be brave enough to admit the war on terror is simply not working. We need a smarter way to reduce the threat from countries that nurture terrorists and generate terrorism.”

A Labour government would ensure that “our foreign policy reduces rather than increases the threat to this country”, he added.

He said seeing the army on “our own streets today is a stark reminder that the current approach has failed”.

The longtime peace campaigner and former chair of the Stop the War coalition also made a direct promise to troops that under a Labour government they would only be sent into combat abroad if they were properly resourced, there was a clear need for military intervention, and a plan for lasting peace afterwards.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/26/jeremy-corbyn-the-war-on-terror-is-simply-not-working

The Right and the rightwing media is apopleptic over this (how can the solution to bombing not be more bombing) - but again it appears this stance polls well with the public. Even the Daily Mail comments are coming out on balance as, pro Corbyn.

Conrad

mayonnaise wrote: »

Pound weakening in face of a Corbyn win/hung parliament should do wonders to our exports. Innit, Conrad?

Would be so Mayo, if his economic management were not so disasterous.


You guys worrying about Brexit ain't seen nothing yet. Corbyn will devastate the economy

mayonnaise

Faced with the likelihood of difficult questions about the Tory campaign, Brexit Secretary David Davis suddenly pulled out of an event planned for central London early today.

And this chap is supposed to successfully negotiate with the EU27....:o