the snap general election thread

kabayiri

MABLE wrote: »

Its very possible Mr Corbyn will get to form the next government. Very few people thought President Trump would have been swept into power.

There are IMO a few notable differences.

Trump had no real political baggage, and I reckon some people gave him the benefit of the doubt. Corbyn has years of political experience, which can be used against him.

Trump was able to tap into a changing mood, particularly amongst large parts of the USA which felt left behind. I still think Corbyn is weak in the traditional Labour heartlands. Some of these old Labour voters actually hold quite right wing views when it comes to things like defence.

Without Scotland (and possibly Wales) Labour do have a mountain to climb.

Filo25

kabayiri wrote: »

There are IMO a few notable differences.

Trump had no real political baggage, and I reckon some people gave him the benefit of the doubt. Corbyn has years of political experience, which can be used against him.

Trump was able to tap into a changing mood, particularly amongst large parts of the USA which felt left behind. I still think Corbyn is weak in the traditional Labour heartlands. Some of these old Labour voters actually hold quite right wing views when it comes to things like defence.

Without Scotland (and possibly Wales) Labour do have a mountain to climb.

I agree in that I think the path to a majority is extremely difficult for Labour, their obvious advantage though is that the probably have more potential coalition/minority government partners than the Tories do.

The only partners the Tories could easily do a deal with would be the DUP/UUP in NI, for the SNP/PC/SDLP, and even now the LibDems, I would think a deal with Labour would be preferable to one with the Tories to varying degrees

Tromking

MABLE wrote: »

Its very possible Mr Corbyn will get to form the next government. Very few people thought President Trump would have been swept into power.

I agree.
I sense a Trump, Brexit type late swing.
People are weary of austerity, and many are no longer listening to the Tory rhetoric about it.
What price TM's 'coalition of chaos'? 😀

sevenhills

Arklight wrote: »

Can British people handle the truth? Will the Murdoch press explode? Can The Sun print an entire paper that just says CORBYN IRA repeated on every page.

Interesting times.

The Institute of Fiscal Studies has made a damning assessment of Tory and Labour manifestos
Neither party’s general election manifesto sets out an honest set of choices, says the leading thinktank.


I always thought the IFS might lean towards the Tories, but I like this statement.

kabayiri

Filo25 wrote: »

I agree in that I think the path to a majority is extremely difficult for Labour, their obvious advantage though is that the probably have more potential coalition/minority government partners than the Tories do.
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The most obvious coallition for Labour is one with the SNP. They are both socialist in nature, after all.

Thing is, I don't trust the SNP in terms of Brexit. They are clearly going to use this period to push for independence, and how does a supposedly Unionist party like Labour reconcile that?

Would Corbyn be willing to break the Union for power?

You can bet that the EU would harden their negotiating stance if they saw a potentially fragile coallition. Why wouldn't they?

Thrugelmir

Tromking wrote: »

People are weary of austerity, and many are no longer listening to the Tory rhetoric about it.
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What austerity? A whole generation of people don't know what a recession is. The squeeze has barely begun.

kabayiri

sevenhills wrote: »

The Institute of Fiscal Studies has made a damning assessment of Tory and Labour manifestos
Neither party’s general election manifesto sets out an honest set of choices, says the leading thinktank.


I always thought the IFS might lean towards the Tories, but I like this statement.

Doesn't the choice become one of damage limitation then?

If I fear over ambition, then don't I choose the least risky option?

Sapphire

Just in passing, I think that if corbyn did win the election, many wealth creators would exit the country. I would, but can't because I have family here, unfortunately.

The thought that he could win – and what that would bring on so many levels – is making me feel ill and stressed.

Apart from committed hard lefters, those naive enough to vote for him simply have no idea of the consequences for the country (perhaps they don't care about that any more, and don't have any allegiance to the UK due to brainwashing and other factors), themselves or their children… Well, I guess they would need to find out the hard way.

Thrugelmir

kabayiri wrote: »

Doesn't the choice become one of damage limitation then?

If I fear over ambition, then don't I choose the least risky option?

Labour have left themselves with some explaining to do. Given the scale of the financial commitments in their manifesto. Will be the main battle ground in the run up to election day.

mayonnaise

Sapphire wrote: »

Just in passing, I think that if corbyn did win the election, many wealth creators would exit the country. I would, but can't because I have family here, unfortunately.

The thought that he could win – and what that would bring on so many levels – is making me feel ill and stressed.

Apart from committed hard lefters, those naive enough to vote for him simply have no idea of the consequences for the country (perhaps they don't care about that any more, and don't have any allegiance to the UK due to brainwashing and other factors), themselves or their children… Well, I guess they would need to find out the hard way.

Project Fear going into overdrive.