the snap general election thread

TrickyTree83

Moby wrote: »

Well we have lots of tories on these threads and they've concentrated for 18 months on Corbyn's weaknessess, unfitness to lead blah, blah and I agree....... but people have been distracted by this and have give May a free run. She is clearly flaky. She is simply not what I thought she was a couple of years ago. I remember agreeing with Generali that she would the next Tory leader. She came across as competent and talented. She has now been exposed by greater scrutiny. She is no leader! a competent cabinet minister perhaps....although her time at the Home Office isn't that good a record actually.

As I said on another thread, it's not just Corbyn you're voting for.

Moby

Arklight wrote: »

Jez we can!

Evil Edna will be in a blue funk today.

And today Corbyn is going to announce that there is a connection between Islamic terrorism, bombing the Middle East because the Americans tell us to, and funnelling billions of petrodollars to Saudi Arabia so that they can fund militant Wahabbist terrorism back here.

Can British people handle the truth? Will the Murdoch press explode? Can The Sun print an entire paper that just says CORBYN IRA repeated on every page.

Interesting times.

It really is awful the way the gutter press treats him. Day after day.....lies, lies , lies. Hopefully the influence of the paper media is waning. The right wing press barons wont be able to control the internet!

Filo25

Moby wrote: »

Well we have lots of tories on these threads and they've concentrated for 18 months on Corbyn's weaknessess, unfitness to lead blah, blah and I agree....... but people have been distracted by this and have give May a free run. She is clearly flaky. She is simply not what I thought she was a couple of years ago. I remember agreeing with Generali that she would the next Tory leader. She came across as competent and talented. She has now been exposed by greater scrutiny. She is no leader! a competent cabinet minister perhaps....although her time at the Home Office isn't that good a record actually.

She's been found out during the campaign so far, some really unnecessary own goals scored.

I would struggle to look at the rest of her cabinet and see any likely leaders in waiting though, we seem to be struggling for effective leadership on all sides of the political divide at present.

Moby

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

As I said on another thread, it's not just Corbyn you're voting for.

I point out what people are now thinking about May........and out comes the Diane Abbott card!:rotfl:

Moby

Filo25 wrote: »

She's been found out during the campaign so far, some really unnecessary own goals scored.

I would struggle to look at the rest of her cabinet and see any likely leaders in waiting though, we seem to be struggling for effective leadership on all sides of the political divide at present.

Amber Rudd?......strange thing is there is more talent on the Labour side but it's all on the backbenches and many could lose their seats!
It's Corbyn's turn tonight to be subjected to the Andrew Neill treatment. 7pm BBC 1:eek:

TrickyTree83

Moby wrote: »

I point out what people are now thinking about May........and out comes the Diane Abbott card!:rotfl:

Because that's reality chap.

On the one hand, TM may not be charismatic, she might make some errors and get things wrong now and again.

But TM and those around her are not Marxist, not racist, not apologists, not conscientious objectors, not economically illiterate, and not 2nd rate ministers as Corbyn has had to appoint due to rebellion.

setmefree2

Filo25 wrote: »

A fair summary of where we stand with regards to the economy from the IFS I think.

It's populism from the left. Tell people there is a simple solution that won't affect them....the rich will pay....

setmefree2

Moby wrote: »

Don't worry Corbyn has a snowflake in hell's chance of being next PM. It may be a bit closer than most thought though!

Honestly - I'm not so sure. The Tory manifesto is a train wreck. I've never seen polls narrow so fast. Labour posters in windows popping up all over my patch of Ealing since last Thursday and I keep hearing people saying (that I never expected) they are going to vote Labour.

I'm trying to get my head around what a LP victory means or at the very least "a coalition of chaos".

Moby wrote: »

The tories have a record for racking up more debt than Labour. Don't believe the gutter press:-

Not true.

The claim: The governments since 2010 have borrowed more than all the Labour governments in history.
Reality Check verdict: That's true in cash terms but not when you take into account the growing economy.

This can be checked using the Bank of England's handy three centuries of economic data spreadsheet.

So a better comparison to make is government borrowing as a proportion of GDP, which is a measure of everything produced in the economy.By that measure it turns out that all Labour governments borrowed about 70% of GDP while the governments since 2010 borrowed about 40% of GDP, which is a very different picture.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39999460?intlink_from_url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/267ada11-b730-4344-b404-63067c032c65/reality-check&link_location=live-reporting-story

Without a doubt a Corbyn government is going to spend vast amounts of money we don't have.

MABLE

Its very possible Mr Corbyn will get to form the next government. Very few people thought President Trump would have been swept into power.

wotsthat

setmefree2 wrote: »

Without a doubt a Corbyn government is going to spend vast amounts of money we don't have.

According to more than a few posters if Corbyn wins Sterling will crash (the bad sort as opposed to the good crash following Brexit vote), the economy will tank and our credit rating will be shot.

..and yet a Labour government is going to spend vast amounts of money we don't have.

How?