My dog had cardiac arrest in small cage at vets after 14 hours

Jojo_the_Tightfisted

That didn't say the machine wasn't working, it said the packed cell volume was too high - there were too many red blood cells compared to plasma, etc, for the sample to be tested for the other levels.

That's caused by such things as dehydration (hence the drips, as they would solve the problem if it were just dehydration, thus eliminating it as a cause if the PCV remained high after administration of fluids), heart disease or malignancy.

Any barrister would take your statements about restricting water and suggest in court that you had kept your dog chronically dehydrated. If a PM didn't reveal heart disease or cancer, that is.

They would also most likely ask about employment (note: not a good idea to lie at that point) and compare it to the criteria for entitlement to use the charity's facilities. If you don't qualify for that free help on that very day - and the entitlements and proofs are extremely clear on the websites of the Blue Cross, RSPCA, PDSA, for example, any possible credibility you had prior to that point is gone forever.

Your dog was ill. You took half a day to get him to the charity clinic. Whilst he was thirsty in that time, you continued to restrict his fluids. They took bloods which showed a significant abnormality. They started treating the most likely cause of the abnormality, dehydration and provided relief for any pain he could have been in, as that massive lump/bulge could also have been a tumour or something else requiring surgery once the dehydration had stabilised. Unfortunately, he died overnight, at which point you started accusing them of abuse and torture and incompetence, of not speaking English properly and coming up with plans to get the price of a new dog out of them, whilst refusing the offer of a post mortem to find out what had caused his death.


To put it completely plainly, you are not going to get a free puppy out of this. Moreover, you will be torn to shreds in the courtroom and be many, many pounds the poorer for the experience.

telboy82

JoJo, I think your really going out of your way on this one to try deter me an make me look bad, please continue because the whole thread has all the info, and by reading from the start all you have set out to do is make me look bad for my actions, you have no idea what could or would happen in court, also you have not listened or taken in the fact ive stated at least twice that Ive never had free pet treatment, ive always paid and thats on their records so keep saying I lie about work you dont even know me, ive already said ive never claimed a penny off the government my whole life and paid my taxes, ive never been out of work.

Post #41 answers your water question, so no I wont get torn apart if he access to water approximately 22 hours a day how did you work that one out.

I do not want a free puppy I have 5 grieving cats to look after, that i paid for from their rescue home.

And this massive lump or bulge he had, where did you get that from?, he had no lumps bulge or swelling.

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telboy82

Also I was read somewhere on here I was asked about the original claim i made at the start about the dog having cardiac arrest, this is what we were told by the the vets on the phone when they first notified us he had passed away, so at the point of opening this thread that early on thats all I knew had happened, he has had a autopsy, it was inconclusive, it was carried out on Monday or Tuesday latest, and when I went there yesterday they couldnt give me a copy of the report because it has been wrote up yet and that person is now on holiday so il get that next week hopefully, id like to think my dogs post mortem should have been completed by now paperwork also especially if it was inconclusive as they told me over the phone. The vet that took him in said she is really annoyed that her name is on my dogs paperwork, she started saying she only admitted him, the place sounds completely unorganized.

teddysmum

Cardiac arrest just means that the heart stopped and could have lots of causes some of which would not show up in a post-mortem.

Dogs can just die , as I found from two friends. One had her dog sedated for an MRI (not heart related) and he died in the scanner, with no cause found. Then, two apparently healthy dogs (one belonging to an internet friend and one the brother of one of my dogs) who both dropped dead while running to the owner, across fields and again ,no apparent cause was found, though all these owners spared no expense.

All three of these were cavaliers, which do have breed history of heart problems, but the two friends were well experienced with the breed, their dogs had regular vet checks and did not have the usual (MVD) heart condition.

Vets don't do all examination/tests in front of the owners, so you can't assume things were missed. This practice is because the dog picks up on the owner's feelings and will be more settled away from them. A dog who panics with the owner present can be quite calm when held by an experienced sympathetic nurse, while the vet does what he needs to.

You do get what you pay for and the treatment provided by charities is excellent (in this case , a 'regular vet' subcontracted to a charity? PDSA?), but as they rely on donations and there are many takers (some actually fiddling to get the help) funds are very limited and they cannot afford to give high level treatment or tests (eg an MRI which costs £100s) that would normally be covered by insurance or paid for privately.

It could be argued that not giving an MRI, which can show much more than an Xray, was not giving the 'correct' treatment, but they have to balance a large expense for one pet against the same money treating a number of others, so there is no automatic right to get the best available, if you aren't paying for the privilege.

Regarding crates, as has been said, the animal has to be in one smaller than would be used at home, as their movements need to be restricted to prevent any lines being pulled out.

Many vets don't like owners to visit in-patients, as from experience, they find that those visited are more stressed by the owner leaving than they would be if left in the surgery's care.

I can't see what would be gained from a court case based on what you 'know' to be true. The dog, sadly, can't be brought back and as a charity is concerned, any pay out would deprive other pets of care , besides annoying donors who contributed to help animals and not to provide compensation, so may cease their donations.

Also, if your income is low enough to warrant free care, court costs will not be affordable, as there is no guarantee that you will win.

Money_maker

Maybe some pet insurance for your 'five grieving cats' would help give you more vet options in case of further need?


Sorry about your dogs passing, so hard when its a much loved member of the family like that but hopefully the PM results (if you managed to get one) will bring you some peace.

charlie3090

telboy82 wrote: »

And this massive lump or bulge he had, where did you get that from?, he had no lumps bulge or swelling,

telboy82 wrote: »

so at 9:30am he starts being sick indoors twice very quickly bringing up his morning breakfast, as this happened i see a large half rugby ball size lump pop out from his belly as he was sick and it went away as soon as he was finished being sick,

candygirl

TELBOY. I have been following this thread, and am very sorry about your dog's death, but without a PM nobody will know what caused it!
I also recall you saying something about a lump.
Either way, i'm sure in most cases, vets do all they can for the animals in their care, although there will be occasional exceptions. I once had a dog die of liver cancer, after the lump was diagnosed as a lipoma, but didn't dream of suing my vet

arbrighton

telboy82 wrote: »

Hi all,
, as this happened i see a large half rugby ball size lump pop

YOU SAID LUMP.

And god did I have to do a lot of deleting to be able to actually highlight that in your original post

If you come across as this aggressive, waffly and inconsistent IRL, you're on a hiding to nowhere

telboy82

I believe I said I see a lump as he was being sick bringing his food up that lasted all of about 5 seconds then was completely gone. Never returned, could this not of been his bringing his food?

telboy82

so yes someone gladly posted the part I said he had a lump while being sick, he rung his breakfast in regurgitations very quickly. sorry again for my past posts waffling on.