Landlord wants to raise my rent nearly £200 what to do?

G_M

The two things are unrelated.

cashmonger wrote: »

Yes this is what I was getting at, that I don't know what it is covering so wasn't sure when to end the tenancy..

1) when to end the tenancy depends on the tenancy periods (as discussed)

2) how much rent to pay depends on what each payment covers (also as discussed). this can be completely separate to 1 above.

Surely you know
* when you made your first payment and what period that rent covered
* what subsequent payments you have made.

- If subsequent payments have always been on the same date each month it's relatively easy to work out when you've paid rent up till
- if at some point, for some reason, you started paying at a different time of the month, you'll have to calculate how many days in advance or arrears that makes your payments, and therefore when you are curently paid up till.

The more changes you made to the day of the month you paid rent, the more compex the calculation will become.

But none of that will affect the tenancy periods, or, therefore, the date on which you can end the tenancy.

Personally, since this is your money, I would not be relying on what the agent tells you you owe. I would sit down and work it out and then tell the agent what you will owe in the last month of the tenancy.

cashmonger

G_M wrote: »

The two things are unrelated.
1) when to end the tenancy depends on the tenancy periods (as discussed)

2) how much rent to pay depends on what each payment covers (also as discussed). this can be completely separate to 1 above.

Surely you know
* when you made your first payment and what period that rent covered
* what subsequent payments you have made.

- If subsequent payments have always been on the same date each month it's relatively easy to work out when you've paid rent up till
- if at some point, for some reason, you started paying at a different time of the month, you'll have to calculate how many days in advance or arrears that makes your payments, and therefore when you are curently paid up till.

The more changes you made to the day of the month you paid rent, the more compex the calculation will become.

But none of that will affect the tenancy periods, or, therefore, the date on which you can end the tenancy.

Personally, since this is your money, I would not be relying on what the agent tells you you owe. I would sit down and work it out and then tell the agent what you will owe in the last month of the tenancy.

I am sure my rent has always gone out on the 23rd yet I am not sure what period it covers but I'm pretty sure it would be for the next month since, knowing agents, they would hate to give anything on 'trust' i.e. payment before the fact.

Why is it hard to believe that I don't remember what period it covered when I set that up around 6 years ago and had no idea of the significance of that piece of information at the time.

EDIT:

I see here that is says from the thread about giving notice linked earier

Note that the day rent is paid is irrelevant.

I don't see how I will get that information other that speaking to the current agents to see if they have the 2015-2016 contract or contacting the old agents and asking if they have it to find the exact day it began/ended.

G_M

cashmonger wrote: »

I am sure my rent has always gone out on the 23rd yet I am not sure what period it covers

What date did you originally move in (or to be precise, what date did the original tenancy start)?

You said earlier:

It ended on 13 june for some reason -forgot why now but at the time it was to even up the books/days somehow- in 2015.

which suggests your tenancy started on 14th June 201x (whatever year it was. This assumes
* you always had 12 month contracts (till this last year which was periodic)
* each contract followed immediately after the end of the previous one

So
a) did you start the original tenancy on 14th June?
b) what was your first rent payment? a months rent? Paid on 14th? Covering 14th June to 13th July?

If so, when did you move to paying on the 23rd? Or was your orginal rent payment made on 23rd June? Covering 14th to 13th July?

cashmonger

Ooops! my mistake. I just took out the two ones I had and since the dates are written rather than numbered I was reading thirtieth as thirteenth.

So that clears things up does it not. The first contract is for first day of July 2013 to 30th day of June 2014. The second is from first day of July 2014 to 30th of June 2015. So 2015-2016 would have been the same dates and onto rolling contract thereafter til now.

I just looked below that and it says that the initial rent is paid upon the signing of the contract and thereafter is it paid in advance on the 2nd of each calender month - although I paid it 23rd rather than the second.

So does this mean that now it is april the 1st I have missed my window to give notice for this month? and that I will need to pay £750 in advance for May 1st rent (since that is when they said it begins at the higher rate) and can only give notice on the 1st of may through to end of that month?

If so I only got the letter a couple of days ago so I could say that it only gave me a couple of days to decide and give notice for before the new rent and ask if the landlord will keep it at 575 for one more month til I leave.

cashmonger

I read in the giving notice thread

a) A tenant can end a SPT by giving the landlord at least one months Notice in writing ending on the last (or 1st day - Crate v Miller 1947) of a Tenancy Period sent to the address "for the serving of notices".

what is the address 'for the serving of notices'? Would this be the landlord's address which I have in the last tenancy agreement I received?

Crashy_Time

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/apr/01/mortgage-tax-relief-cut-doesnt-add-up-buy-to-let-landlords?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other


Chances are that he just wants an excuse to exit the BTL business? The problem with the logic in the article is that it tries to square the circle of tenants losing their tenancy with loads of BTL flats hitting the market at the same time with prices remaining high?

Crashy_Time

cashmonger wrote: »

Ooops! my mistake. I just took out the two ones I had and since the dates are written rather than numbered I was reading thirtieth as thirteenth.

So that clears things up does it not. The first contract is for first day of July 2013 to 30th day of June 2014. The second is from first day of July 2014 to 30th of June 2015. So 2015-2016 would have been the same dates and onto rolling contract thereafter til now.

I just looked below that and it says that the initial rent is paid upon the signing of the contract and thereafter is it paid in advance on the 2nd of each calender month - although I paid it 23rd rather than the second.

So does this mean that now it is april the 1st I have missed my window to give notice for this month? and that I will need to pay £750 in advance for May 1st rent (since that is when they said it begins at the higher rate) and can only give notice on the 1st of may through to end of that month?

If so I only got the letter a couple of days ago so I could say that it only gave me a couple of days to decide and give notice for before the new rent and ask if the landlord will keep it at 575 for one more month til I leave.

Isn`t it usually a couple of months notice of any changes to rent?

cashmonger

Crashy_Time wrote: »

Isn`t it usually a couple of months notice of any changes to rent?

Says minimum of one month here

https://www.gov.uk/private-renting/rent-increases

Crashy_Time

cashmonger wrote: »

Says minimum of one month here

https://www.gov.uk/private-renting/rent-increases

Could be, I have not had a rent rise in so long it gets hard to remember.

G_M

cashmonger wrote: »

I read in the giving notice thread



what is the address 'for the serving of notices'? Would this be the landlord's address which I have in the last tenancy agreement I received?
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By law, you have to be given, in writing, an address 'for the serving of notices" on the landlord. This is usually in the tenancy agreement but could be provided separately.


Landlord and Tenant Act 1987