Fuel efficiency remapping

motorguy

Tuning boxes / remaps produce better MPG as there is more power / torque further down the rev range. Simples.

A friend of mine ran a haulage company and all their HGV lorries were "chipped". Not for the better performance but because it improved their MPG notably. When you're only getting maybe 5mpg in the first place, that can soon add up..

thescouselander

I'm sceptical. Who's going to make a better engine map - Ford with their $8 Bn per year research budget or two blokes in a shed?

I know who my money is on.

Gloomendoom

thescouselander wrote: »

I'm sceptical. Who's going to make a better engine map - Ford with their $8 Bn per year research budget or two blokes in a shed?

I know who my money is on.

Define "better".

Better for what?

motorguy

thescouselander wrote: »

I'm sceptical. Who's going to make a better engine map - Ford with their $8 Bn per year research budget or two blokes in a shed?

I know who my money is on.

Dont for one minute assume that remapping companies are all two blokes in a shed.

Try having a look at DMS Automotive, Superchips, Evolution Chips, Bluefin - all multi million pound companies and often supplying remaps worldwide.

Its based on age old tuning - get more fuel and air in, and you get more power out. Its what John Cooper was doing back in 1961 when he put twin carburettors (more fuel in) and performance air filters (more air in) on to a standard MINI.

Its just with modern engines the way to do it has changed.

It does work - theres any amount of independent dyno outputs around the net demonstrating it, and its the basis for pretty much all tuning of turbo'd cars - Subarus, RS, EVOs, etc.

AdrianC

motorguy wrote: »

Dont for one minute assume that remapping companies are all two blokes in a shed.

Try having a look at DMS Automotive, Superchips, Evolution Chips, Bluefin - all multi million pound companies and often supplying remaps worldwide.

...and then look at how wide their product ranges are, and consider how much time and effort they can spend on each product.

So let's have a look at just one of those, shall we? The first on your list. DMS Automotive.

Exactly how "multi-million pound" is that company?
http://www.endole.co.uk/company/06563866/dmsautomotive-europe-limited
https://www.duedil.com/company/06563866/dmsautomotive-europe-limited

Healthy looking, isn't it? They can definitely do a better job than McLaren or Lamborghini or Porsche or AMG or Ferrari or Jaguar can. I have 100% faith in them and their sole director, the same guy who appears in all the articles.

But I hear he's thinking of expanding to get a second man into the shed...

Gloomendoom

AdrianC wrote: »

Healthy looking, isn't it? They can definitely do a better job than McLaren or Lamborghini or Porsche or AMG or Ferrari or Jaguar can. I have 100% faith in them and their sole director, the same guy who appears in all the articles.

Like I said above, define "better".

motorguy

AdrianC wrote: »

...and then look at how wide their product ranges are, and consider how much time and effort they can spend on each product.

So let's have a look at just one of those, shall we? The first on your list. DMS Automotive.

Exactly how "multi-million pound" is that company?
http://www.endole.co.uk/company/06563866/dmsautomotive-europe-limited
https://www.duedil.com/company/06563866/dmsautomotive-europe-limited

Healthy looking, isn't it? They can definitely do a better job than McLaren or Lamborghini or Porsche or AMG or Ferrari or Jaguar can. I have 100% faith in them and their sole director, the same guy who appears in all the articles.

But I hear he's thinking of expanding to get a second man into the shed...

Its ludicrous to suggest remapping doesnt work and its ludicrous to suggest companies like DMS, Bluefin and Superchips are one man bands operating from a shed who dont know what they're doing.

So either :-

(a) You dont know anything about cars and tuning.

OR

(b) its more important to you to "win" an argument on the internet.

I will leave people to draw their own conclusions as to which.

AdrianC

You'll note I didn't mention Bluefin or Superchips. (Same company, btw - and still not exactly "multi-million"... https://companycheck.co.uk/company/01303145/SUPERCHIPS-LIMITED/financials or https://www.duedil.com/company/01303145/superchips-limited/financials)

But either the guy who is DMS is lying to his accountant, or...

motorguy

AdrianC wrote: »

You'll note I didn't mention Bluefin or Superchips. (Same company, btw - and still not exactly "multi-million"... https://companycheck.co.uk/company/01303145/SUPERCHIPS-LIMITED/financials or https://www.duedil.com/company/01303145/superchips-limited/financials)

But either the guy who is DMS is lying to his accountant, or...

AdrianC

<shrug>
Can't have it both ways.

You said that the remappers were multi-million pound businesses, definitely not one man in a shed. You named four businesses to prove it.

Two of them turned out to be the same company, and then there were three.
Two of those turned out to be far smaller than multi-million pound.

Now, tell me again about these 25% reductions in 0-60 time and 21% improvements in economy/34% improvements in power/17% improvements in torque that are apparently COMPLETELY beyond the wit of manufacturers with thousands of highly qualified engineers and huge development budgets with millions of car sales depending on the results...?

Let's not forget that we know that these manufacturers - global corporations with annual profit in the billions - are willing to actively break the law to gain improvements of a fraction of those being claimed from one bloke in a shed who owes a shedload, or a business still run by the wife of the bloke who founded it 40 yrs ago and whose net assets wouldn't even buy one of the cars they map?