New PIP Rules

rockingbilly

Ac1961 wrote: »

Yeah right Of Course you do.:rotfl:

Well you can't have been privy to any of my annual tax returns then, which makes your comment of little value

Ac1961

Your comment on your tax status is as equally worthless as we only have your word for it.:rotfl:

CTcelt1988

Rockingbilly being hypocritical again when he doesn't need DLA/PIP.

You say you don't need it and you give your DLA to your grandchildren, yet you preach about not wanting too many people claiming PIP as it increases the welfare budget.

You should give yours up then Rockingbilly.

Ames

rebecca_p wrote: »

Like I have said before, some people have no incentive to get better because they would end up on Jobseeker's Allowance and that would have an impact on Housing Benefit. Some people manipulate the system and that has an effect on people with genuine conditions. I know I can get a well note from a understanding doctor and be signed off work very easily, get given antidepressants by the GP, say I'm unable to leave the house etc. And within some months I would of built up a case saying I'm really disabled by my condition. That is without even seeing a psychiatrist or secondary mental health services. And there are loads of people doing it because it's easy. More then you think.

No it wouldn't. Whatever income related benefit someone was on, ESA or JSA, housing benefit or LHA would be the same.

Fluffingaround

There is no effective therapy available except to give you a PD diagnosis (on wildly inaccurate information and assumptions) so that when they have locked you up in hospital and taken your leave away from you because "you have to learn that life's not fair." ( this is a direct honest-to-God quote from an exchange with an inpatient psychiatrist) then send you to a forensic unit because apparently you were not sorry enough for something you did by mistake when you were ill, (or is that making excuses to say you must of been 'ill'?) (again, direct quote from exchange with a nurse whilst in with her and the consultant-: (me) "of course I am sorry I accidentally hit the policeman" (nurse) "no you're not, you are only sorry that you have to take the consequences of your actions" me = just thinking 'that is weird, am I seven or thirty seven?') and you emerge from that God-forsaken place nearly two years later with your life and career and nerves in tatters, not to mention two precious years of your life gone to their box ticking exercises) and severe agoraphobia to boot, they can just say (another direct quote) "well never mind dear leave it in the past and you can go and pick your life up again now") accuse you of being manipulative melodramatic attention seeking etc if you claim to be agrophobic (cos you seriously are) or show so much as a peep of an external sign of the anxiety that now plagues you, stops you sleeping and will not settle with all the best will in the world. With still no plausible answers to what made you behave so uncharacteristically irrationally for months before that anyway, except that it's your personality and you just need to be encouraged to 'manage your emotions' (yeah thanks, always been quite chilled til then)...did i mention the " uncharacteristic " part.......? The only thing services seem to offer is to make you so !!!! scared of them that you won't bother them again......yeah so I'm really not digging the 'those that won't engage' thing: after my experience and contact with lots of other patients from different areas, services need to sort their !!!! out and look at why people don't engage rather than condemn people for not engaging. The only thing I have learned my lesson over is that if my mind plays silly !!!!!!s with me again and I get to the point of suicide in despair of ever getting my !!!! together as I watch my life falling down the pan as I cannot seem to remember one moment to the next for months on end, I must damn well make sure I die this time and not get persuaded out of it......or go anywhere near the mental health services. Sorry, does that sound a bit histrionic....? (!!!! off. I tried to ask for help and was literally told (prior to hospitalisation) I needed to take responsibility for myself (i was trying my !!!!ing heart out, i was not losing everything I've worked for twenty years for for the sake of not trying) DO NOT judge me for now being unwilling to engage with mental health services. I do, still try, as it happens, not that they've much of use to offer except what basically amounts to bullying. But, oh my word, what I have now seen and heard and know from the many other patients I've had the blessing to meet and talk to during my incarceration: no, I blame no one for not engaging. Blame the smug self righteous judgemental shitness of services, not the patients. Get over the 'blame the patient' culture and ask what would encourage people to want to engage, and how can one actually help rather than judging them and squashing them down. Meanwhile, PIP will be needed to at least help mitigate the problems.

poppy12345

Fluffingaround wrote: »

There is no effective therapy available except to give you a PD diagnosis (on wildly inaccurate information and assumptions) so that when they have locked you up in hospital and taken your leave away from you because "you have to learn that life's not fair." ( this is a direct honest-to-God quote from an exchange with an inpatient psychiatrist) then send you to a forensic unit because apparently you were not sorry enough for something you did by mistake when you were ill, (or is that making excuses to say you must of been 'ill'?) (again, direct quote from exchange with a nurse whilst in with her and the consultant-: (me) "of course I am sorry I accidentally hit the policeman" (nurse) "no you're not, you are only sorry that you have to take the consequences of your actions" me = just thinking 'that is weird, am I seven or thirty seven?') and you emerge from that God-forsaken place nearly two years later with your life and career and nerves in tatters, not to mention two precious years of your life gone to their box ticking exercises) and severe agoraphobia to boot, they can just say (another direct quote) "well never mind dear leave it in the past and you can go and pick your life up again now") accuse you of being manipulative melodramatic attention seeking etc if you claim to be agrophobic (cos you seriously are) or show so much as a peep of an external sign of the anxiety that now plagues you, stops you sleeping and will not settle with all the best will in the world. With still no plausible answers to what made you behave so uncharacteristically irrationally for months before that anyway, except that it's your personality and you just need to be encouraged to 'manage your emotions' (yeah thanks, always been quite chilled til then)...did i mention the " uncharacteristic " part.......? The only thing services seem to offer is to make you so !!!! scared of them that you won't bother them again......yeah so I'm really not digging the 'those that won't engage' thing: after my experience and contact with lots of other patients from different areas, services need to sort their !!!! out and look at why people don't engage rather than condemn people for not engaging. The only thing I have learned my lesson over is that if my mind plays silly !!!!!!s with me again and I get to the point of suicide in despair of ever getting my !!!! together as I watch my life falling down the pan as I cannot seem to remember one moment to the next for months on end, I must damn well make sure I die this time and not get persuaded out of it......or go anywhere near the mental health services. Sorry, does that sound a bit histrionic....? (!!!! off. I tried to ask for help and was literally told (prior to hospitalisation) I needed to take responsibility for myself (i was trying my !!!!ing heart out, i was not losing everything I've worked for twenty years for for the sake of not trying) DO NOT judge me for now being unwilling to engage with mental health services. I do, still try, as it happens, not that they've much of use to offer except what basically amounts to bullying. But, oh my word, what I have now seen and heard and know from the many other patients I've had the blessing to meet and talk to during my incarceration: no, I blame no one for not engaging. Blame the smug self righteous judgemental shitness of services, not the patients. Get over the 'blame the patient' culture and ask what would encourage people to want to engage, and how can one actually help rather than judging them and squashing them down. Meanwhile, PIP will be needed to at least help mitigate the problems.

Paragraphs will help people read and understand what you've wrote. I manage 3 lines... you've also posted on a thread that's 9 months old.

charliesnan

I don't know if I'm in the rite forum but I'm so confused!!!
I was on dla at highest rate for both then last November went over to pip which awarded me lower rate .I appealed and won the higher rate for both .As it's been over a year since my original claim for pip i don't know if I'm entitled to back pay as my payments have not been adjusted yet they won't be back on track till January .Can anyone help as I'm struggling to find appropriate advice?

pmlindyloo

charliesnan wrote: »

I don't know if I'm in the rite forum but I'm so confused!!!
I was on dla at highest rate for both then last November went over to pip which awarded me lower rate .I appealed and won the higher rate for both .As it's been over a year since my original claim for pip i don't know if I'm entitled to back pay as my payments have not been adjusted yet they won't be back on track till January .Can anyone help as I'm struggling to find appropriate advice?

Yes, you will be entitled to back pay. It will be the difference between what you have been receiving on PIP and what you have now been awarded.

it will be backdated to the date you received your first PIP award(s).

poppy12345

charliesnan wrote: »

I don't know if I'm in the rite forum but I'm so confused!!!
I was on dla at highest rate for both then last November went over to pip which awarded me lower rate .I appealed and won the higher rate for both .As it's been over a year since my original claim for pip i don't know if I'm entitled to back pay as my payments have not been adjusted yet they won't be back on track till January .Can anyone help as I'm struggling to find appropriate advice?

Backdated payments can take 8 weeks.