New PIP Rules

WillGoodfellow

Penitent wrote: »

There's no need to change the criteria if you're going to keep reassessing people. The only reason you'd have to change the rules is if you thought they wouldn't get better, but want to deny them support regardless.

I suspect that the Tory government will start shovelling even more taxpayers' cash in to private 'healthcare professionals'' pockets for Work Capability Assessments to ensure those who do receive the mobility component for psychological distress reasons no longer receive it soon after legislation is changed.

wellynever

Penitent wrote: »

It's not. Agoraphobia isn't an inability to go out, it's a fear of going out. Some agoraphobics are able to go out with support, albeit usually to a limited number of places (e.g. GP, hospital, a family member's house).

I know as I suffer from Agoraphobia but have physical conditions which gives me the HRM,

But some people naming no names think people should just pull up their socks and get over it.

FBaby

The system currently works fine for those with temporary agoraphobia who engage with services and gradually get better and come off PIP when they do.

The issue is sufferers who don't engage or attempt to get better who have claim DLA for many years and don't expect to get ever get better and therefore claim indefinitely because they continue to meet the criteria a they are set each time.

rockingbilly

WillGoodfellow wrote: »

I suspect that the Tory government will start shovelling even more taxpayers' cash in to private 'healthcare professionals'' pockets for Work Capability Assessments to ensure those who do receive the mobility component for psychological distress reasons no longer receive it soon after legislation is changed.

For a start it's got nothing to do with ESA. The court ruling is for PIP.

The only reason that the PIP legislation is to change is to stop what could happen following the court ruling.

In other words to keep the PIP rules in line with what was decided back in 2013.
You just can't have the courts ruling that more people should become entitled to the mobility element. It has nothing to do with the courts.

It's DLA all over again. The courts allowing more and more people to gain an award by changing the rules - rules that have been in force since the beginning of time. I remember the attempt to classify a bed as an aid for PIP because you sit on it to put your socks on. Or the false teeth one that without them they could not eat their food without support (someone cutting up their food for them).

FBaby

What about those who engage with health services but either don't get better or take several years to get better (I haven't heard of a treatment with a 100% success rate)? Or those who live in areas where those services are limited and so they can't receive the help they need to get better (hardly surprising considering the disproportionate cuts to mental health services)? Or those whose condition is so severe that they can't engage properly?

I took it that it would be harder for people with MH to claim mobility when they didn't engage with therapy. I took it that those who did engage, or genuinely tried to wouldn't be penalised.

I don't think there is much out yet to clarify one way or the other though, is there?

WillGoodfellow

rockingbilly wrote: »

For a start it's got nothing to do with ESA. The court ruling is for PIP.

Replace Work Capability Assessment for PIP Assessment and the same applies.

rockingbilly

WillGoodfellow wrote: »

Replace Work Capability Assessment for PIP Assessment and the same applies.

They are two completely different benefits that assess two totally different things.
Too sick to do any work (and pass enough descriptors/points)
Requiring care and/or have mobility needs (and pass enough descriptors/points)

You may well be entitled to ESA but not be disabled.
You may well be disabled but still manage to work 40 hours a week.

lemontart

the not in receipt of therapy bit is a nasty one, as many therapy services are limited to number of sessions, i.e. coucilling 6 sessions if lucky, I have waited 5 months for an appt after a sucide attempt etc/ Mental health services have been cut over and over again.

rebecca_p

I'm quite happy for them to clamp down and tighten the regulations. I have a friend who claims ESA support group for depression and anxiety which for him is a fluctuating condition. He has a compassionate GP who is happy to sign him a sick note and prescribe him antidepressants which in the eyes of the assesses is justification for ESA support group. He has never been to see a psychiatrist. He pulls the wool over everybody's eyes. There are loads of other people doing the exact same thing. Depression and anxiety are the new bad back. I think there should be more stringent tests and PIP and ESA should be temporary for fluctuating mental health conditions and people should not be written off.

allison445

rebecca_p wrote: »

I'm quite happy for them to clamp down and tighten the regulations. I have a friend who claims ESA support group for depression and anxiety which for him is a fluctuating condition. He has a compassionate GP who is happy to sign him a sick note and prescribe him antidepressants which in the eyes of the assesses is justification for ESA support group. He has never been to see a psychiatrist. He pulls the wool over everybody's eyes. There are loads of other people doing the exact same thing. Depression and anxiety are the new bad back. I think there should be more stringent tests and PIP and ESA should be temporary for fluctuating mental health conditions and people should not be written off.

Anxiety is not a fluctuating condition its always there its how a person manages it.
There's not enough education's on what anxiety actually is and until you have experienced it yourself you will never know how much it can take over your life.
I have been suffering with mental health issues for over a year and I have done everything I can to educate myself and manage the condition I argued with my GP over the use of prescription drugs which were just making my head worse.
I tried fighting it without any success its easy to say just get on with it but anxiety doesn't allow you to just get on with it.
I was lucky enough to attend anxiety management groups but these aren't available to everyone.