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The Great Fibre Riff-off
mcolqu
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I meant Rip-off. Fat fingers...
It amazes me how BT and the other big players get away with advertising their Broadband as Fibre when it is not.
The best that BT or Sky or any of the other players can do is to offer Fibre to the Cabinet (FTTC) and then a botch job from the cabinet on the street to your property over your phone line (copper wires that can be years old). The further your property is away from the cabinet on the street, the slower your broadband will be.
I am excluding the small proportion of new build flats and houses that are fibre cabled when built. In these cases, you can actually achieve a full Fibre to the home (FTTH) connection.
BT have single handedly held the UK to ransom when it comes to broadband, first of all in the early days of ADSL broadband where they took years to uncouple the exchanges and allow other providers to provide ADSL and then after years of Offcom finally enforcing them to open up the market, as soon as Fibre broadband came along, we are back to square one and it again took BT ages to open up the Fibre to the other players.
This is the reason that Broadband in the UK is still of 3rd world standard and why everyone laughs at the standard of broadband in the UK.
I am lucky enough to have had my building fully Fibre Cabled recently and have the option of PROPER Fibre Broadband at 1Gb upload and download speeds from Hyperoptic.com. Speeds that BT and other players proving broadband over your phoneline can only dream about.
I have to say that BT are very good at brainwashing the public into thinking that they are the best and have the fastest broadband etc. but they are simply lying through their teeth to get you to sign up.
Part of the reason I suspect is that they want to hold everyone to ransom where you have to have a phone line to actually get broadband. Who needs a landline these days?
Virgin are the only other big player offering residential Fibre broadband which is actually Fibre and they do offer decent speeds. Unfortunately they are only in limited areas and don't seem to be expanding at a decent rate.
There are some companies offering 4G broadband but this is very dependant on what the signal is like in your area and how many people are using your closest cell.
I tried out Relish but the signal was rubbish and I could not use it.
It amazes me how BT and the other big players get away with advertising their Broadband as Fibre when it is not.
The best that BT or Sky or any of the other players can do is to offer Fibre to the Cabinet (FTTC) and then a botch job from the cabinet on the street to your property over your phone line (copper wires that can be years old). The further your property is away from the cabinet on the street, the slower your broadband will be.
I am excluding the small proportion of new build flats and houses that are fibre cabled when built. In these cases, you can actually achieve a full Fibre to the home (FTTH) connection.
BT have single handedly held the UK to ransom when it comes to broadband, first of all in the early days of ADSL broadband where they took years to uncouple the exchanges and allow other providers to provide ADSL and then after years of Offcom finally enforcing them to open up the market, as soon as Fibre broadband came along, we are back to square one and it again took BT ages to open up the Fibre to the other players.
This is the reason that Broadband in the UK is still of 3rd world standard and why everyone laughs at the standard of broadband in the UK.
I am lucky enough to have had my building fully Fibre Cabled recently and have the option of PROPER Fibre Broadband at 1Gb upload and download speeds from Hyperoptic.com. Speeds that BT and other players proving broadband over your phoneline can only dream about.
I have to say that BT are very good at brainwashing the public into thinking that they are the best and have the fastest broadband etc. but they are simply lying through their teeth to get you to sign up.
Part of the reason I suspect is that they want to hold everyone to ransom where you have to have a phone line to actually get broadband. Who needs a landline these days?
Virgin are the only other big player offering residential Fibre broadband which is actually Fibre and they do offer decent speeds. Unfortunately they are only in limited areas and don't seem to be expanding at a decent rate.
There are some companies offering 4G broadband but this is very dependant on what the signal is like in your area and how many people are using your closest cell.
I tried out Relish but the signal was rubbish and I could not use it.
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See identical posts over the last few years re Fibre = not fibre .0
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Well in fairness they have done what is value for money.
Got fibre to very close to your house.
And then use the short wires to get to your house.
A lot more speed for less money invested.
Just imagine the cost of connecting to everyones houses, and digging up their gardens and what to do with those who have telegraph poles.
P.S I paid to have virgin media installed. Maybe do that if you like ?0 -
I'd be interested to know just what advantage 1Gbps offers over 76Mbs 38Mbps or even 16Mbps for normal home users.
The only purpose right now for anything faster than the OP's derided FTTC speeds would be to download huge files faster as even ADSL speeds make multi GB downloads feasible in what most would consider an acceptable time.
Higher uploads are handy for home workers required to transfer large files around and torrent freaks I suppose.0 -
Why is that people presume that everyone has the exact same needs as themselves? We need a landline and I can think of quite a few good reasons for needing one.Who needs a landline these days?
Virgin are the only other big player offering residential Fibre broadband which is actually Fibre and they do offer decent speeds. Unfortunately they are only in limited areas and don't seem to be expanding at a decent rate.
Are Hyperoptic available to all households?0 -
VM originators of course stopped the rollout many years ago due to the owning companys going bust .0
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Perhaps it would help if VM were subject to the same universal service obligation that BT are? So anyone in the country (except Hull) could order a phone + broadband service from VM and they would have to install it?Virgin are the only other big player offering residential Fibre broadband which is actually Fibre and they do offer decent speeds. Unfortunately they are only in limited areas and don't seem to be expanding at a decent rate.
Also, we have a Virgin "fibre" broadband service in my office, and it is delivered over coax (similar to what the TV aerial uses). No fibreoptic cable in sight, that stops at the cabinet. So really it's fibre to the cabinet, like ... errr ... BT.
As for who needs a landline, well, it's the easiest and cheapest way to get broadband to a property. No obligation to have a phone service with it, the ISP I use will do a "no phone service" broadband only line for £10/month. Compare that with the cost of running actual fibre as a retrofit (hundreds or even thousands of pounds).Proud member of the wokerati, though I don't eat tofu.Home is where my books are.Solar PV 5.2kWp system, SE facing, >1% shading, installed March 2019.Mortgage free July 20230 -
You can get 200Mbps over virgins coax.
Where as BT's 1940's? twisted pair infrastructure can only get 80Mbps? maximum between the house and cabinet.
If Virgin supply your area you can get it installed to your house and at a discount if you take 3 services0 -
I meant Rip-off. Fat fingers...
It amazes me how BT and the other big players get away with advertising their Broadband as Fibre when it is not.
The best that BT or Sky or any of the other players can do is to offer Fibre to the Cabinet (FTTC) and then a botch job from the cabinet on the street to your property over your phone line (copper wires that can be years old). The further your property is away from the cabinet on the street, the slower your broadband will be.
I am excluding the small proportion of new build flats and houses that are fibre cabled when built. In these cases, you can actually achieve a full Fibre to the home (FTTH) connection.
BT have single handedly held the UK to ransom when it comes to broadband, first of all in the early days of ADSL broadband where they took years to uncouple the exchanges and allow other providers to provide ADSL and then after years of Offcom finally enforcing them to open up the market, as soon as Fibre broadband came along, we are back to square one and it again took BT ages to open up the Fibre to the other players.
This is the reason that Broadband in the UK is still of 3rd world standard and why everyone laughs at the standard of broadband in the UK.
I am lucky enough to have had my building fully Fibre Cabled recently and have the option of PROPER Fibre Broadband at 1Gb upload and download speeds from Hyperoptic.com. Speeds that BT and other players proving broadband over your phoneline can only dream about.
I have to say that BT are very good at brainwashing the public into thinking that they are the best and have the fastest broadband etc. but they are simply lying through their teeth to get you to sign up.
Part of the reason I suspect is that they want to hold everyone to ransom where you have to have a phone line to actually get broadband. Who needs a landline these days?
Virgin are the only other big player offering residential Fibre broadband which is actually Fibre and they do offer decent speeds. Unfortunately they are only in limited areas and don't seem to be expanding at a decent rate.
There are some companies offering 4G broadband but this is very dependant on what the signal is like in your area and how many people are using your closest cell.
I tried out Relish but the signal was rubbish and I could not use it.[/QUOTE
You say the 'best' BT can offer is FTTC when that is plainly untrue,you even admit it yourself, but you dismiss BT's FTTH it as its only available in limited paces, but logically the 'best' BT can offer is FTTH,
You give a plug to Hyperoptic, yet that is a company that offers FTTH in even more limited places than BT's FTTH, bit hypocritical there don't you think ?
You say Virgin are a big player that offers FTTH, yet the vast majority of VM broadband is a hybrid FTTC system (same as BT's FTTC) and their 'true' FTTH is available in a tiny number of places (even fewer than BT)
I'm guessing you are not a lawyer, because with a level of reasoned argument like yours , your clients would end up in jail.0 -
This is the reason that Broadband in the UK is still of 3rd world standard and why everyone laughs at the standard of broadband in the UK.
Have you ever used broadband in Australia?Who needs a landline these days
We do and until there is a usable mobile signal covering 100% of the UK, I suspect a good many others do too.
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I would imagine it would be quite slow coming all that way
We just need to remember we were early adopters of the telephone, and are using this ancient infrastructure to transmit data0
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