Building an en-suite upstairs

magn8p

Hi there,

Just wondering if you can help me figure out the best place to build an en-suite upstairs with no (or a few) compromises.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByzZtpskPzlFV19NWEx4RlluWDQ/view?usp=sharing

My budget is up to £7K.

-Mags

martinsurrey

magn8p wrote: »

Hi there,

Just wondering if you can help me figure out the best place to build an en-suite upstairs with no (or a few) compromises.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByzZtpskPzlFV19NWEx4RlluWDQ/view?usp=sharing

My budget is up to £7K.

-Mags

which bedroom?
where are the soil stacks?
just a shower or shower and bath?
is it a semi?
what is the current heating system?
What the wiring like?

WestonDave

Obvious location would be the north west corner of the bedroom adjacent to the bathroom - carve off the section from the door to the side wall to suitable depth. That way you've got easy enough connections to the water etc that clearly connect to the bathroom, and you're left with a decent sized room after you've carved it off.


I suspect re-purposing the two walk in cupboards at the lower end of the picture wouldn't give a decent sized bathroom and would be a nightmare to route waste pipes.


The other rooms are also pretty small to be carving a chunk off for a bathroom if the idea is to have a master suite with the attached ensuite.

magn8p

Please excuse me if I sound ignorant.

1. Whats a soil stack?
2. Just a shower.
3. Ye,s it's a semi
4. Centrally gas heated
5. It's a 1950s Wimpey no fines which is in a decent condition, so I believe that also reflects in the wiring as the detailed survey didn't find any faults.

Thanks.

martinsurrey wrote: »

which bedroom?
where are the soil stacks?
just a shower or shower and bath?
is it a semi?
what is the current heating system?
What the wiring like?

martinsurrey

magn8p wrote: »

Please excuse me if I sound ignorant.

1. Whats a soil stack?
2. Just a shower.
3. Ye,s it's a semi
4. Centrally gas heated
5. It's a 1950s Wimpey no fines which is in a decent condition, so I believe that also reflects in the wiring as the detailed survey didn't find any faults.

Thanks.

you've mis aligned the questions

1. Which bedroom?

2. a soil stack is the thick pipe (normally on the outside of the house) that all the waste pipes currently connect to, it goes to the sewer.


4. combi boiler or a hot water tank if a hot water tank, where is it?

5. surveys don't look at electrics in any detail. If you want/need a power shower you may need a rewire, which will kill your budget.

magn8p

Thanks for that WD.

That's exactly where we intend to fit it. What sort of depth does a basic en-suite need? Trying to make sure it doesn't eat up too much into the bedroom. I guess the length shouldn't be an issue.

We thought about re-purposing cupboards as well, but only one of those is walk-in the other one isn't due the stairs underneath, it would be a squeeze to fit something there and yes, plumbing would be a nightmare too and would require a saniflo-ish system.

WestonDave wrote: »

Obvious location would be the north west corner of the bedroom adjacent to the bathroom - carve off the section from the door to the side wall to suitable depth. That way you've got easy enough connections to the water etc that clearly connect to the bathroom, and you're left with a decent sized room after you've carved it off.


I suspect re-purposing the two walk in cupboards at the lower end of the picture wouldn't give a decent sized bathroom and would be a nightmare to route waste pipes.


The other rooms are also pretty small to be carving a chunk off for a bathroom if the idea is to have a master suite with the attached ensuite.

magn8p

Sorry, I hope I get it right this time.


1. Master - the one right next to the bath.

2. Its behind the house, facing west and of course leaving the bathroom.

4. Recently installed combi-boiler.

5. You are right, ideally we don't intend to fit a power shower - is this an issue? The house we currently live in - Logic Combi 35 powers both our bath and en-suites.

Thanks again!

martinsurrey wrote: »

you've mis aligned the questions

1. Which bedroom?

2. a soil stack is the thick pipe (normally on the outside of the house) that all the waste pipes currently connect to, it goes to the sewer.


4. combi boiler or a hot water tank if a hot water tank, where is it?

5. surveys don't look at electrics in any detail. If you want/need a power shower you may need a rewire, which will kill your budget.

martinsurrey

magn8p wrote: »

Sorry, I hope I get it right this time.


1. Master - the one right next to the bath.

2. Its behind the house, facing west and of course leaving the bathroom.

4. Recently installed combi-boiler.

5. You are right, ideally we don't intend to fit a power shower - is this an issue? The house we currently live in - Logic Combi 35 powers both our bath and en-suites.

Thanks again!

2. where on the back side of the house? more towards the toilet side of the house, or the bath side?

this all matters as if its too far from the proposed new toilet you'll need either a new stack with a new drain connection, or a macerator, all which will add to costs.

magn8p

I see. Looking at the house from the garden, I think the stack is exactly in the middle - If the stack is perpendicular black pipe, the horizontal black is from toilet and the relatively thin white pipe is from the bathtub. Picture attached to help understand.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0ByzZtpskPzlFd3JTS2xfT2NrVDQ

Please let me know what you think.

Many thanks.

martinsurrey wrote: »

2. where on the back side of the house? more towards the toilet side of the house, or the bath side?

this all matters as if its too far from the proposed new toilet you'll need either a new stack with a new drain connection, or a macerator, all which will add to costs.

WestonDave

In terms of depth, we put a 900mm deep ensuite off our main bedroom (had an outside wall with no window at that point on a room that was otherwise 17ft long so carving off 3ft (plus a bit for the wall) actually squared the room up nicely. I wouldn't say its spacious and you need to choose your sink carefully as that will be the bit you end up squeezing past (toilet and shower at the two ends).

Doozergirl

I don't see there's really enough room.

The minimum size for a half comfortable ensuite is about 900x2300mm. Smaller than a 900mm tray and you'll struggle to get in and out. Add 100mm for new walls. You don't have enough space along the north wall to allow you to also get into the bedroom.

For a square one you need about 1750mm each way, plus new walls.

You could fiddle with the bathroom a bit as well but that's going to shoot you right over £7k and at the moment, I can't see how it helps.