Building an en-suite upstairs

magn8p

Thanks for suggestions and the details shared.

I currently don't live in the house - offer accepted and planning to move in around March/April time.

With regards to ensuite door, I was thinking of using a sliding door instead, so that it doesn't need to swing open. And like mentioned before, use a toilet-sink combo to save space.

I will take all that you said into consideration. Is there anything else you can suggest to save space?

Best regards.

Doozergirl wrote: »

Have you thought about employing a tape measure upstairs in your house instead of these bizarre ideas? The two plans you've drawn are just blatantly not going to work. You have no concept of space.

If you have enough room to get a toilet, a door and a shower cubicle into a room, there is no need for one of those strange sink over loo arrangements. Those demand at least some space to the side for you to stand at, which you will not have.

The width of your room is 3.07m. A doorway into your bathroom, including architrave is going to be at least 80cm (and that will be with you contriving it by moving and reducing the existing opening and replacing the door - it will not be that currently, in fact I'll say you have around 2 metres at present).

That leaves you with 2.17m. You need 10cm bare minimum for a stud wall with plasterboards and that even pushes your skirting boards over the architraves.

That leaves you 2.07. You need 80cm again for a tiny door to the ensuite with arch and another 80cm for a shallow shower tray which will feel cramped. That leaves you 47cm to fit a loo on the right hand wall - the loo you linked to is 84cm deep! The door also has to open out into the room 61cm.

If the ensuite is 90cm wide ( I really would not compromise on this if you are squeezing so much into a tiny length) then you lose 1m from your bedroom length. That makes the width of the room 2.68m.

A divan double is 1.5m wide. Add the ensuite door needing to open on one side of the bed at 61cm (you'll only ever be able to open it to enter from one side) you have 50cm to walk around the bed on the other side.

You have 1m at the bottom of the bed to walk around. No room for any furniture other than two bedside tables.

None of this is my idea of luxury. Quite the opposite.

Doozergirl

DavidFx wrote: »

Remove partition behind toilet - move toilet back into space (next to centre window)
Move bathroom door to opposite bedroom door
Block off existing bathroom door - move to left as much as possible
Add vertical partition for new en-suite with access from bedroom
as per your drawing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByzZtpskPzlFeUc4M05hZEFGMTQ/view
but with the bath moved more to the left as the door has been moved
Ideally the partition should not straddle the window

Given that the existing bathroom is 3m wide, how wide do you think the ensuite will be and how much space does one need to get past the toilet?

Aside from that not working, There would be no option but for the partition to straddle the wall if there is to be any space for the bath. The scale on the existing drawing is going to be right for door openings and bath widths. Windows can be blocked up, but I'm not seeing how it helps.

We need measurements for the existing bathroom, but I'm not convinced that anything is going to leave a bedroom that is really usable.

Doozergirl

magn8p wrote: »

Thanks for suggestions and the details shared.

I currently don't live in the house - offer accepted and planning to move in around March/April time.

With regards to ensuite door, I was thinking of using a sliding door instead, so that it doesn't need to swing open. And like mentioned before, use a toilet-sink combo to save space.

I will take all that you said into consideration. Is there anything else you can suggest to save space?

Best regards.

The toilet-sink combo doesn't work in any practical way. In fact, it demands more space than a tiny 25cm deep wall hung sink. Where do you actually stand to wash your hands?

What is the purpose of this ensuite? This really isn't a big house at all.

I may not know everything but I swear that nobody on this planet know more about creating tiny en-suites than I do. It would have to be my specialist subject on Mastermind.

Where are you going to put your wardrobes? Spare room? In which case, make the spare room an ensuite. You are not going to make the house any more saleable or usable with the current thinking.

If you want a separate shower, then play with the bathroom space instead of demanding an extra loo and sink and the circulation space subsequently required.

ST1991

My only thought is this one (below).
You can then have a window in the ensuite and 2 in the main bathroom still.
Bath can be set back into the shape of the L, although without measurements of the depth of the room i don't know how well a toilet and sink will fit in. If you move the door the the middle of the bathroom you can squeeze the toilet on the left hand side, sink in the middle, and bathroom in the 'L'.
You could potentially compromise more of the landing space, if there that area is large, the widen the bathroom too.

magn8p

Thanks for that ST - this might cost a bit more but definitely looks practical to me.

Would love to hear what Doozengirl has to say about this.

ST1991 wrote: »

My only thought is this one (below).
You can then have a window in the ensuite and 2 in the main bathroom still.
Bath can be set back into the shape of the L, although without measurements of the depth of the room i don't know how well a toilet and sink will fit in. If you move the door the the middle of the bathroom you can squeeze the toilet on the left hand side, sink in the middle, and bathroom in the 'L'.
You could potentially compromise more of the landing space, if there that area is large, the widen the bathroom too.

Doozergirl

magn8p wrote: »

Thanks for that ST - this might cost a bit more but definitely looks practical to me.

Would love to hear what Doozengirl has to say about this.

It's what DavidF wrote about, but DavidF's door positioning was better. I think we can draw lines on a floor plan all day but no one is putting sanitaryware into these rooms and considering how you move around them.

Would you consider losing the bath and having two shower rooms? I don't think it's particularly marketable, but I don't think wedging a bath in an alcove is either. Two bathrooms is overkill in a house that is only 5.5 metres deep by about 7 and where the biggest bedroom is barely a double itself.

Your OP asked for a way to do this without compromise. Fact is, there isn't. Something isn't going to feel 'normal' somewhere. If you are prepared to devalue the house to get an ensuite and this is your forever house, then we should keep talking.


What compromise would be acceptable?

ST1991

Doozergirl wrote: »

It's what DavidF wrote about, but DavidF's door positioning was better. I think we can draw lines on a floor plan all day but no one is putting sanitaryware into these rooms and considering how you move around them.

Would you consider losing the bath and having two shower rooms? I don't think it's particularly marketable, but I don't think wedging a bath in an alcove is either. Two bathrooms is overkill in a house that is only 5.5 metres deep by about 7 and where the biggest bedroom is barely a double itself.

Your OP asked for a way to do this without compromise. Fact is, there isn't. Something isn't going to feel 'normal' somewhere. If you are prepared to devalue the house to get an ensuite and this is your forever house, then we should keep talking.


What compromise would be acceptable?

Agree! From what i can see, shoving the bath in an alcove is the only way.

I would much prefer one normal bathroom to two that are barely functional.
I'd also prefer a window on the landing, than no natural light.

martinsurrey

Doozergirl wrote: »

It's what DavidF wrote about, but DavidF's door positioning was better. I think we can draw lines on a floor plan all day but no one is putting sanitaryware into these rooms and considering how you move around them.

Would you consider losing the bath and having two shower rooms? I don't think it's particularly marketable, but I don't think wedging a bath in an alcove is either. Two bathrooms is overkill in a house that is only 5.5 metres deep by about 7 and where the biggest bedroom is barely a double itself.

Your OP asked for a way to do this without compromise. Fact is, there isn't. Something isn't going to feel 'normal' somewhere. If you are prepared to devalue the house to get an ensuite and this is your forever house, then we should keep talking.


What compromise would be acceptable?

I agree with Doozer,

Just because you can (with a convoluted layout), doesn't mean you should...

Slinky

With regards the combined loo/sink, we were thinking of one of those with a potential house purchase. Somebody pointed out, quite rightly, that cleaning your teeth standing in front of the toilet, is practically impossible.