Building an en-suite upstairs

martinsurrey

Doozergirl wrote: »

I don't see there's really enough room.

The minimum size for a half comfortable ensuite is about 900x2300mm. Smaller than a 900mm tray and you'll struggle to get in and out. Add 100mm for new walls. You don't have enough space along the north wall to allow you to also get into the bedroom.

For a square one you need about 1750mm each way, plus new walls.

You could fiddle with the bathroom a bit as well but that's going to shoot you right over £7k and at the moment, I can't see how it helps.

I think it can fit, but will be tight.

OP, how long is the wall beside the bedroom door (measured inside the bedroom), measure from the edge of the door frame to the wall, I guess its around 2300mm to 2200mm.

get a space saving sink over toilet combo, and a 900X800 shower tray and it could work.

magn8p

Thanks for that.

I thought about the sink already and I want to try something innovative like the one below - what do you think?

https://www.victorianplumbing.co.uk/kyoto-combined-two-in-one-wash-basin-toilet-500mm-wide-x-300mm?campaign=googlebase&gclid=CjwKEAiAq8bEBRDuuOuyspf5oyMSJAAcsEyW6h4nNTkMgowwQrp-t_MfQs15jBXuypMoCB9u69MYpxoCebjw_wcB

WestonDave wrote: »

In terms of depth, we put a 900mm deep ensuite off our main bedroom (had an outside wall with no window at that point on a room that was otherwise 17ft long so carving off 3ft (plus a bit for the wall) actually squared the room up nicely. I wouldn't say its spacious and you need to choose your sink carefully as that will be the bit you end up squeezing past (toilet and shower at the two ends).

martinsurrey

magn8p wrote: »

https://www.victorianplumbing.co.uk/kyoto-combined-two-in-one-wash-basin-toilet-500mm-wide-x-300mm?campaign=googlebase&gclid=CjwKEAiAq8bEBRDuuOuyspf5oyMSJAAcsEyW6h4nNTkMgowwQrp-t_MfQs15jBXuypMoCB9u69MYpxoCebjw_wcB

exactly what I was suggesting.

magn8p

Cheers Martin. Great minds think alike! ;-)

The other idea (which could potentially cost more) I had was to rearranging the current bathroom and move the bath towards the toilet and squeeze an en-suite into the room where the current bath tub is.

Thus I could still have a decent sized double-bed. Please refer the image below to get a good idea of what I mean. Please let me know if it's practical and if you can think of a better way, please do share.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0ByzZtpskPzlFeUc4M05hZEFGMTQ

martinsurrey wrote: »

exactly what I was suggesting.

martinsurrey

magn8p wrote: »

Cheers Martin. Great minds think alike! ;-)

The other idea (which could potentially cost more) I had was to rearranging the current bathroom and move the bath towards the toilet and squeeze an en-suite into the room where the current bath tub is.

Thus I could still have a decent sized double-bed. Please refer the image below to get a good idea of what I mean. Please let me know if it's practical and if you can think of a better way, please do share.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0ByzZtpskPzlFeUc4M05hZEFGMTQ

no,

that will never work, your knees would by your ears on the toilet in the en suit and the bathroom door would be inches form the bath in the bathroom.

magn8p

Thank you. That makes sense to me.

Is it possible to fit a triangular en-suite instead towards the North-west corner of the master bed like shown below, with a double bed placed East to west length wise?

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0ByzZtpskPzlFRllrb0I5ems2ekk

martinsurrey wrote: »

no,

that will never work, your knees would by your ears on the toilet in the en suit and the bathroom door would be inches form the bath in the bathroom.

martinsurrey

magn8p wrote: »

Thank you. That makes sense to me.

Is it possible to fit a triangular en-suite instead towards the North-west corner of the master bed like shown below, with a double bed placed East to west length wise?

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0ByzZtpskPzlFRllrb0I5ems2ekk

no, triangles are very inefficient.

your only real option is an en suit along the wall the bedroom shares with the bathroom, you'll still get a double bed in (headboard against the outside wall (side of the house).

magn8p

Thanks for that Martin!

The shared wall between the bedroom and the bathroom is a brick one, do you see a benefit in removing it and replacing it with a wall? Or is this unnecessary?

martinsurrey wrote: »

no, triangles are very inefficient.

your only real option is an en suit along the wall the bedroom shares with the bathroom, you'll still get a double bed in (headboard against the outside wall (side of the house).

Doozergirl

Have you thought about employing a tape measure upstairs in your house instead of these bizarre ideas? The two plans you've drawn are just blatantly not going to work. You have no concept of space.

If you have enough room to get a toilet, a door and a shower cubicle into a room, there is no need for one of those strange sink over loo arrangements. Those demand at least some space to the side for you to stand at, which you will not have.

The width of your room is 3.07m. A doorway into your bathroom, including architrave is going to be at least 80cm (and that will be with you contriving it by moving and reducing the existing opening and replacing the door - it will not be that currently, in fact I'll say you have around 2 metres at present).

That leaves you with 2.17m. You need 10cm bare minimum for a stud wall with plasterboards and that even pushes your skirting boards over the architraves.

That leaves you 2.07. You need 80cm again for a tiny door to the ensuite with arch and another 80cm for a shallow shower tray which will feel cramped. That leaves you 47cm to fit a loo on the right hand wall - the loo you linked to is 84cm deep! The door also has to open out into the room 61cm.

If the ensuite is 90cm wide ( I really would not compromise on this if you are squeezing so much into a tiny length) then you lose 1m from your bedroom length. That makes the width of the room 2.68m.

A divan double is 1.5m wide. Add the ensuite door needing to open on one side of the bed at 61cm (you'll only ever be able to open it to enter from one side) you have 50cm to walk around the bed on the other side.

You have 1m at the bottom of the bed to walk around. No room for any furniture other than two bedside tables.

None of this is my idea of luxury. Quite the opposite.

DavidFx

Remove partition behind toilet - move toilet back into space (next to centre window)
Move bathroom door to opposite bedroom door
Block off existing bathroom door - move to left as much as possible
Add vertical partition for new en-suite with access from bedroom
as per your drawing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByzZtpskPzlFeUc4M05hZEFGMTQ/view
but with the bath moved more to the left as the door has been moved
Ideally the partition should not straddle the window