Electric cars

AdrianC

RHemmings wrote: »

But not in the UK

No, we have this annoying habit of sitting on the wrong side of the car.

Brightonsbest_2

Eletric cars a fundamental flaw is the batteries when they go, it will cost at least 10k to repalce.

RHemmings

Brightonsbest wrote: »

Eletric cars a fundamental flaw is the batteries when they go, it will cost at least 10k to repalce.

About half that.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/nissan/89694/nissan-leaf-battery-replacement-to-cost-4920

And, that's after the owners will have saved hundreds each year on maintenance costs. https://www.zap-map.com/ev-owners-save-hundreds-each-year-on-maintenance-costs/

Martyn1981

Brightonsbest wrote: »

Eletric cars a fundamental flaw is the batteries when they go, it will cost at least 10k to repalce.

I think that has to be seen in context. The battery pack should be thought of as a prepayment on fuel costs since it allows you to run cheaply on leccy rather than expensively on petrol/diesel.

So, let's say you were buying an older car. You could check the quality of the battery, and if it is poor, you would pay a lower value for the car, then pay £5k for a shiny new batt pack, that will allow you exceptionally cheap motoring (cost per mile) for 10 yrs.

If necessary you could also replace the motor/inverter stack for about £1.5k, making the car almost new again.

According to RHemmings' link you could also trade in the old batt for £1k. However, my understanding is that EV batts are classed as worn out when they are down to 80% efficiency - and I've seen no end of threads on renewables forums where on (or off) grid folk would kill for 30kWh (24kWh @ 80%) of lithium batts for £1k for home storage.

This thread details the build of such a battery using parts from a written off Leaf. The full build (by offpist) starts from 17/8/14 and is a thing of beauty.

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Blackbeard_of_Perranporth wrote: »

And still the range is less than 100 miles! And the waste contamination from the battery is excluded.

My Leaf gets a solid 130 even in the winter rain.

The battery will eventually be recycled. Why would you throw something so valuable away? That's insane, like burning money. After its expected life (250k miles) it will still have 80% capacity.

Martyn1981

DELETED USER wrote:

After its expected life (250k miles) it will still have 80% capacity.

Hi. just in case you're interested, I'm following the domestic storage market quite closely, and one of the offerings is from Nissan. Like all the domestic batts, it is currently quite expensive, but storage is rapidly falling in price and has just started to become viable in sun rich / high price leccy areas (Australia, Hawaii etc) now, for PV households.

Nissan XStorage

xStorage is a portfolio of energy storage solutions that give you access to safe, reliable and sustainable energy. The home storage unit gives Nissan's electric vehicle batteries a 'second life'. By partnering with Eaton, we provide scalable energy storage systems fit for your homes and your business, allowing all of us to benefit from the transition towards a more sustainable society.

BeenThroughItAll

AdrianC wrote: »

Charge time is limited by the battery capacity, and the battery capacity alone.

Renault and Nissan are, to all intents and purposes, the same company and share the same technology.

The battery pack and charging system on the Zoe are quite different to the Leaf. Inverter/Charger is unique to Renault (good job really) and the battery uses a different battery management system and different cells. I've owned a Zoe (never again will I buy anything with a Renault badge) and work with a company who specialises in battery technology who build special purpose packs, often starting with a Leaf pack as the base.

NigeWick

neilmcl wrote: »

Really, name one city in the UK that currently bans diesel cars?

The current infrastructure in the UK does not support a mass move to electric vehicles and wont do for a number of years yet.

Starting doesn't mean the ban is in yet. That said, Paris just banned some vehicles this week due to pollution. And, for their olympics Beijing banned all motor vehicles at times.

There are presently five cities that have announce an upcoming ban and I suspect London will follow their lead.

NigeWick

AdrianC wrote: »

Charge time is limited by the battery capacity, and the battery capacity alone.

Renault and Nissan are, to all intents and purposes, the same company and share the same technology.

I understand that but the Renault Zoe does not charge as fast as the Nissan Leaf, and, the 41kWh version Zoe has two charging speeds. And yes, I do know that the Leaf has a 24kWh or 30kWh battery. Renault quote an hour to get to 80% on a rapid charger for the swifter charging of the two.

neilmcl

NigeWick wrote: »

Starting doesn't mean the ban is in yet. That said, Paris just banned some vehicles this week due to pollution. And, for their olympics Beijing banned all motor vehicles at times.

There are presently five cities that have announce an upcoming ban and I suspect London will follow their lead.

No, but it means that bans are at least in the pipeline, yet not one city in the UK is proposing this for consumer diesel cars at the present time.