Electric cars

AdrianC

Martyn1981 wrote: »

Not forgotten at all, I simply didn't know they were a western marque?

CleanTechnica's claim of unique growth did not filter down to one specific region of the world.

Name another automaker that has seen such a large production ramp that fast.
...
No one has ramped up production so dramatically so quickly in history!

Martyn1981

AdrianC wrote: »

CleanTechnica's claim of unique growth did not filter down to one specific region of the world.

I didn't write the article, and your comment was directed at me:

AdrianC wrote: »

I'm a bit surprised you've forgotten about them,

AdrianC

Well, yes. I assumed you wouldn't share an article you knew to be false.

Martyn1981

Cheer up guys, there'll be some bad EV news to put a smile back on your faces soon.

Martyn1981

Interesting article on Transport Evolved yesterday. I like this site as it's very balanced.

The suggestion is whether getting the price down by reducing battery size is a solution to the sub $20k EV. Pointing out that sub 100 mile EV's already work, and there is a lot of market for short range vehicles. Interesting food for thought. Going back to a cost reduction I suggested based on the TM3, then perhaps taking the $35k model (when it arrives), stripping out $5k in size and spec, $5k for smaller batts, and another $5k for cost reductions over the next 2-5yrs, then hopefully that'll be possible/reasonable?

If most, or just many, second cars are suitable for a switch to short range/cheaper EV's, then the market could be massive ..... and hopefully profitable.

Making EVs Affordable

AdrianC

Martyn1981 wrote: »

The suggestion is whether getting the price down by reducing battery size is a solution to the sub $20k EV.

$20k in the US is roughly entry-level Ford Focus money -- $18k there, £18k here - so we'll go with £1=$1, and £20k for this.


There are already electric cars on the UK market <£20k... Renault Zoe, from £18,500 list, for a start... Although that is with battery leasing. Then there's the iOn/C-Zero/i-MiEV. The Smart ForTwo is pocket change above that line.

zeupater

AdrianC wrote: »

$20k in the US is roughly entry-level Ford Focus money -- $18k there, £18k here - so we'll go with £1=$1, and £20k for this.


There are already electric cars on the UK market <£20k... Renault Zoe, from £18,500 list, for a start... Although that is with battery leasing. Then there's the iOn/C-Zero/i-MiEV. The Smart ForTwo is pocket change above that line.

Hi

Interesting ...... so which of the above best meets your range requirements & importantly, have you bought one yet ? ....

HTH
Z

AdrianC

zeupater wrote: »

Interesting ...... so which of the above best meets your range requirements & importantly, have you bought one yet ? ....

When the question asked is whether a <£20k EV is "hopefully ... possible/reasonable", and <100 mile range is being proposed as a solution, you'd think the current availability of several that have more range than that would be considered, wouldn't you?

And, no, I haven't bought one, because I choose not to buy new £20k cars, and because they do not meet my range requirements, as I think we've discussed a few times before...

Martyn1981

AdrianC wrote: »

$20k in the US is roughly entry-level Ford Focus money -- $18k there, £18k here - so we'll go with £1=$1, and £20k for this.


There are already electric cars on the UK market <£20k... Renault Zoe, from £18,500 list, for a start... Although that is with battery leasing. Then there's the iOn/C-Zero/i-MiEV. The Smart ForTwo is pocket change above that line.

The article clearly mentions profitability as well. But I guess you were just too busy trying to post a contradictory comment as usual ...... such a waste of time!

AdrianC

Martyn1981 wrote: »

The article clearly mentions profitability as well.

Do excuse me a moment, I'm not sure I can type straight while laughing this hard.

OK, so what do you think the European market price line is, if it's lower than a straight "new-Focus-list" equivalence to that US $20k?