Are degrees in the UK value for money?

MallyGirl

take a look at the stats for vets - far more female than male, worrying suicide rates, dirty, sometime dangerous. I would not want someone without degree level qualification operating on my animals

GreatApe

MallyGirl wrote: »

take a look at the stats for vets - far more female than male, worrying suicide rates, dirty, sometime dangerous. I would not want someone without degree level qualification operating on my animals

Why not? What determines success for an operation is how many times that person did that operation last week not if they got a first at Luton poly.

economic

There is so much waste and !!!! university courses out there. Its like 90% of the courses are literally mickey mouse courses.

GreatApe

economic wrote: »

This is exactly the reason why young men are finding it tough and experiencing early mid-life crisis as their role in society has changed drastically. If women are more independent in terms of financially then what is the need for men to provide the finances to support life?

Of course women and men eventually want children usually so eventually most women settle down but this is still a lot less then it were 50 years ago as more women's goals and aspirations in life has changed - mainly due to the opening up of career opportunities.

I feel sorry for young white males. There is a growing amount of propaganda about how white males have it all and anyone else is has been let down by discrimination. Then you have traditional roles of men being more or less irrelevant adding to the misery.

Why marry a man when you can marry the state. Free house free money free healthcare free schooling and no man to tell you what to do

Educated women have it the worst. Go to university get a job work hard until you are 35 and no one wants you keep working buy a cat keep working grow old keep working and die alone.

michaels

I feel like I have wandered into the daily mail of the 1950s. I do hope everyone is trolling

dunroving

economic wrote: »

There is so much waste and !!!! university courses out there. Its like 90% of the courses are literally mickey mouse courses.

But students have the choice not to take these courses... nobody is forcing them.

SingleSue

michaels wrote: »

I feel like I have wandered into the daily mail of the 1950s. I do hope everyone is trolling

Thought it was just me! My equalitist bone has been triggering madly over the last few posts.

A marriage or partnership should be about being equal, not one being a provider and dominant and one being a receiver and submissive.

economic

dunroving wrote: »

But students have the choice not to take these courses... nobody is forcing them.

On the whole students don't know much about the real world. How are you expecting them to make a sound decision at 17 years old?

Its really about game theory - since most people are doing a degree and since most decent jobs require a degree (even though you don't actually use any of the skills and knowledge from the degree), students probably feel they have no option but to give in and spend £50k on a degree certificate worth as much as toilet tissue paper.

So its combination of false marketing from schools, universities, pressure from parents, seeing everyone else do one, seeing decent jobs require one - so they just go ahead and waste time and money on a degree.

What should happen is government should stop funding for all degrees apart from those that require the skills and knowledge that actually add value to the economy and are crucial to the functioning of this country AND where without a degree it would be impossible to enter into that job - so generally vocational degrees like medicine and dentistry.

Then for the rest, since the government has stopped the funding, the private sector can fund loans at competitive rates for students who wish to do other degrees. Banks can make the choice who to lend to - they would decide John doing maths at Cambridge is well worth the risk so the bank would provide funding for him. Conversely they would would run a mile from Jack who wants funding for a maths degree at Luton University.

You could even have P2P lending for students as well. But that could actually make the problem worse unless the platforms have strict criteria similar to the banks.

In this way you will see all the rubbish universities close down along with the rubbish degrees. So number of students entering uni will fall drastically. Companies will drop the "degree required" requirement. Students will start work at age 17-18yr, and they will be much better off.

GreatApe

SingleSue wrote: »

Thought it was just me! My equalitist bone has been triggering madly over the last few posts.

A marriage or partnership should be about being equal, not one being a provider and dominant and one being a receiver and submissive.

Men and women don't get into relationships with some aggregated average man or woman they get with individuals who are a wide spectrum of dominant to submissive smart to dumb pretty to ugly.

What does it add to state that men and women are equal. Equally important? Sure it's so obvious it doesn't need stating. Equally strong smart driven? Maybe but since people get together with individuals they won't be equals one of the two will be smarter or stronger or more aggressive or earn more. What should those women or men feel that are lessor than their partner on some trait if everyone is running around proclaiming were all equal at everything? Should they blame their partner or the opposite sex or society itself? Or grow up and accept you are not some average aggregate nor will your partner be. If you want a meek man go find a meek man if you want a dominant one go find a dominant one. You won't be able to change the dominant or the meek man from what they are to some aggregate average.

Anyway there is something wrong with current western culture.
With uk born women having only 1.5 kids that isn't sustainable.
And one of the reasons for this unsustainable situation is the university bubble

GreatApe

economic wrote: »

On the whole students don't know much about the real world. How are you expecting them to make a sound decision at 17 years old?

Its really about game theory - since most people are doing a degree and since most decent jobs require a degree (even though you don't actually use any of the skills and knowledge from the degree), students probably feel they have no option but to give in and spend £50k on a degree certificate worth as much as toilet tissue paper.

So its combination of false marketing from schools, universities, pressure from parents, seeing everyone else do one, seeing decent jobs require one - so they just go ahead and waste time and money on a degree.

What should happen is government should stop funding for all degrees apart from those that require the skills and knowledge that actually add value to the economy and are crucial to the functioning of this country AND where without a degree it would be impossible to enter into that job - so generally vocational degrees like medicine and dentistry.

Then for the rest, since the government has stopped the funding, the private sector can fund loans at competitive rates for students who wish to do other degrees. Banks can make the choice who to lend to - they would decide John doing maths at Cambridge is well worth the risk so the bank would provide funding for him. Conversely they would would run a mile from Jack who wants funding for a maths degree at Luton University.

You could even have P2P lending for students as well. But that could actually make the problem worse unless the platforms have strict criteria similar to the banks.

In this way you will see all the rubbish universities close down along with the rubbish degrees. So number of students entering uni will fall drastically. Companies will drop the "degree required" requirement. Students will start work at age 17-18yr, and they will be much better off.

That won't work because the parents kids and the public and university industrial complex will vote you out

The only workable method is to give the kids choice and if the kids choose to spend their £50k on a house or starting a business rather than studying photography and philosophy at Luton its up to them and no one will/can blame them

If you force it upon them (not going to university) even indirectly it won't get anywhere


I winder how many idiots were involved in this decisions over how many decades
Who thought expanding university could be anything other than lowering standards and inventing new pointless courses? In some ways they add a lot of negative value if your told go to university for a better life and after 4 years on a photography course you are unemployed or stacking shelves you are likely be be resentful.