PM speech on Tuesday - Pound down 5% on Monday?

Filo25

While I want Scotland to remain part of the union, if they do want another referendum in the aftermath of the Brexit vote, they should be allowed to have it.

I don't really want to see the UK become the kind of nation that keeps significant parts of its population here against their will, that would just guarantee even more support for the cause of Independence

CLAPTON

elantan wrote: »

As you already know we can have a referendum without permission call it advis or if you will, kinda like a Brexit referendum

thee will be no vanity referendum in scotland UNLESS the polls show 60% ish in favour

Matt_L

melanzana wrote: »

Anyone know what might happen if Parliament votes down the triggering of Article 50?

General Election?

I know it's unlikely to fail, but still, stranger things have happened in politics as we have seen!

And on top of that, let's say parliament approves Article 50, and then when the deal is ready Parliament does not approve (May has said they will have a vote on the final Brexit Deal), I wonder what might happen then?

There is a test case coming to the High Court in Dublin to establish if Article 50 can be reversed. Being brought by UK plaintiff.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/high-court-to-hear-british-brexit-escape-route-case-1.2935102

All very interesting.

My guess is this,,

Most Tory MP's when asked will rightly say that they aim to win the vote so theres no question of it failing, i believe they will accept the deal..

What i believe will happen if they don't vote for the deal is we will be out anyway but with nothing, but the mere threat of that option is a no go. IMO its been done this way to stop those who don't want to leave at all costs....

Crashy_Time

Filo25 wrote: »

While I want Scotland to remain part of the union, if they do want another referendum in the aftermath of the Brexit vote, they should be allowed to have it.

I don't really want to see the UK become the kind of nation that keeps significant parts of its population here against their will, that would just guarantee even more support for the cause of Independence

There isn`t going to be a EZ to join soon IMO, the indy ref 2 thing is just fantasy, Scotland on it`s own now would be a disaster, the time for that economically was early 70`s, when they first found oil, but the country wasn`t grown up enough then, still shouting about Protestant V Catholic and ranting against the "English", so opportunity gone, game over, forget about it!

Filo25

Crashy_Time wrote: »

There isn`t going to be a EZ to join soon IMO, the indy ref 2 thing is just fantasy, Scotland on it`s own now would be a disaster, the time for that economically was early 70`s, when they first found oil, but the country wasn`t grown up enough then, still shouting about Protestant V Catholic and ranting against the "English", so opportunity gone, game over, forget about it!

If they want to have it they can have it.

Of course if the SNP is seen to be continually calling referenda with no prospect of winning them then that might not do much good for their political popularity in Scotland, so for all of the sabre rattling from the SNP I doubt we will see another referendum unless the polling looks more positive than it does now.

TrickyTree83

elantan wrote: »

As you already know we can have a referendum without permission call it advis or if you will, kinda like a Brexit referendum

The thing about the advisory Brexit referendum is that Westminster still has to ratify it, they've already voted to agree to the governments timetable on triggering article 50. Sure it wasn't binding, but it's been through the highest power in the land now to make it happen.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38243500

Holyrood is not Westminster. You can hold an advisory, but it's not binding as you rightly pointed out.

TrickyTree83

Filo25 wrote: »

While I want Scotland to remain part of the union, if they do want another referendum in the aftermath of the Brexit vote, they should be allowed to have it.

I don't really want to see the UK become the kind of nation that keeps significant parts of its population here against their will, that would just guarantee even more support for the cause of Independence

They should be allowed, but they should be allowed once Brexit/negotiation has been completed so everyone in Scotland is aware of what the options are.

Nicola, the SNP, and the indy crowd (especially on here) don't like that approach. It flies in the face of their "remain in the EU" fallacy.

mrginge

Filo25 wrote: »

If they want to have it they can have it.

Of course if the SNP is seen to be continually calling referenda with no prospect of winning them then that might not do much good for their political popularity in Scotland, so for all of the sabre rattling from the SNP I doubt we will see another referendum unless the polling looks more positive than it does now.

It could be argued that they have had it.
And that public support has not changed at all since the last one.

If there was truly uproar in Scotland we would see the polls reflect that.
My conclusion is that the SNP will forever and a day try to manufacture any reason they can to promote their own aims rather than focus on governing their country.

Fella

Sturgeon doesn't want another referendum. Despite being a two-time loser (Independence & EU) she's managed to perpetuate the ludicrous & unfounded belief she's a talented politician. She knows she'd lose another Scottish referendum & her bubble would burst so all she does is sabre-rattle & try to make out she has influence in the UK

kinger101

elantan wrote: »

Today's speech has made a second indy ref inevitable for Scotland, next move is over to Sturgeon ... will be interesting to see how that all plays out

Scotland still has to leave the EU whether it remains part of the UK or not. The difference will be, if it leaves the UK, it may later be able to join. If Spain lets it.