Paying for overnight guests in rented flat?!

cloo

I'd avoid this one, as has been said, who knows what other rules a landlord like that would try to impose? It doesn't even make business sense to be putting off potential tenants for the sake of the occasional fiver!

Crashy_Time

cloo wrote: »

I'd avoid this one, as has been said, who knows what other rules a landlord like that would try to impose? It doesn't even make business sense to be putting off potential tenants for the sake of the occasional fiver!

What I think it is really is that he doesn`t want half a dozen half drunk people chatting, playing music and walking about above his flat every other night, sounding like a herd of elephants even although they think they are being super quiet, and this is just a way to get in early and avoid having to confront the OP over the issue? Landlord needs to re-appraise his own business and living arrangements IMO.

Layla85

I think you've hit the nail on the head. They seem most worried about noise levels and strange people coming and going. In that sense I can understand their concerns, but it does seem to be an odd arrangement.

Unfortunately, one way or another I do need to find somewhere else to live. I've lived at my current address for a few years and it is absolutely time for a change. Ironically, one of my reasons for living was that I essentially share a bedroom with one of the other occupants (thin, badly built partition wall dividing an already small room into two) so wanted some privacy. Now it seems that's not possible even when I look for somewhere to live alone!

always_sunny

Layla85 wrote: »

It is registered for council tax. The new flat is 870 a month in zone 3. For its size, that's pretty low cost (by the insane prices set by the london rental market!)

To me, £870/pcm for a studio sounds pretty expensive! Zone 3 varies depending on West/South/East and West.

Tulse Hill (for example) is Z3, studio for £800 (http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-42898638.html).
For £870/pcm I wouldn't want to put up with the worry about paying for my evening companion. I wonder if you get charged more if you bring in more than one? :rotfl:

mrginge

Pixie5740 wrote: »

What about those tenants who sign tenancy agreement saying they will have the property "professionally" cleaned at the end of the tenancy? That's not enforceable. Clauses telling tenants which utility companies they have to use aren't enforceable either. Just because it's in there doesn't make it enforceable.

Come on pixie you know better than that.
*why* is it unenforceable?
It can't be unenforceable just because a different, unrelated term has been deemed unenforceable in the past

It isn't a term that *bans* overnight guests, nor does it force the tenants to have a particular type of overnight guest.
It's a charge, to be levied *if* the tenant wants a guest.

I mean I know there's all the point about quiet enjoyment, exclusive use etc, but exclusive use does not mean you can do whatever you want. For example it doesn't mean you can exclusively move a wall or exclusively brick up the windows.
I don't see how this term prevents the tenant from exclusive use, isn't it the same as one which said 'if you want the landlord to cut the grass you have to pay £5'?

I haven't trawled through the unfair contract terms docs so I'm not saying that is is or isn't fair, just that it may not be quite that straightforward.

Crashy_Time

Layla85 wrote: »

I think you've hit the nail on the head. They seem most worried about noise levels and strange people coming and going. In that sense I can understand their concerns, but it does seem to be an odd arrangement.

Unfortunately, one way or another I do need to find somewhere else to live. I've lived at my current address for a few years and it is absolutely time for a change. Ironically, one of my reasons for living was that I essentially share a bedroom with one of the other occupants (thin, badly built partition wall dividing an already small room into two) so wanted some privacy. Now it seems that's not possible even when I look for somewhere to live alone!

Yep, they have been doing it a long time and no doubt know the pitfalls of BF/GF`s "staying over" for 12 months, or the horror (for neighbours) of constant visitors and the noise of chatter/debauchery into the wee hours (The Spanish IME do this at art form level, and with large groups of visitors/family, not just the odd friend or two)

Layla85

To Always_Sunny: Haha God knows! Thoughts like this did cross my mind. The funny is, my life is unbelievably quiet and tame. It's hilarious that what little action I should have should be so policed by someone I don't even know!

It's North of the river, close to good transport links, which does bump the price up somewhat. South London always tends to be cheaper. Plus as a studio it's pretty much the size of a one bed.

Crashy_Time

always_sunny wrote: »

To me, £870/pcm for a studio sounds pretty expensive! Zone 3 varies depending on West/South/East and West.

Tulse Hill (for example) is Z3, studio for £800 (http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-42898638.html).
For £870/pcm I wouldn't want to put up with the worry about paying for my evening companion. I wonder if you get charged more if you bring in more than one? :rotfl:

Crazy. OP should be saving/investing the rent they save in the 3 bedder, not helping the London rent Ponzi IMO.

Layla85

I totally agree with you in theory, Crashy Time, but in practice when you're living somewhere that doesn't make you happy, you just want to get out of that situation as soon as you can. I was able to save a little living there, but I spent a lot of money going out because I wasn't happy. And what I did save was by no means enough for a deposit to buy etc...

Crashy_Time

Layla85 wrote: »

I totally agree with you in theory, Crashy Time, but in practice when you're living somewhere that doesn't make you happy, you just want to get out of that situation as soon as you can. I was able to save a little living there, but I spent a lot of money going out because I wasn't happy. And what I did save was by no means enough for a deposit to buy etc...

You have stuck it out for three years though? How much is the difference in rent between the share and the £5 per visitor flat?